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MY 10 FAVORITE MOVIE VILLAINS OF ALL TIME
My all time favorite movie villian: Tim Roth's Archibald Cunningham from Rob Roy
And the villian from my all time favorite movie: James Earl Jones' Thulsa Doom from Conan the Barbarian
Comment Posted By Machiavelli On 24.05.2007 @ 19:10
WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND
"I guess Mr Bush does believe in the mission – as long as other peoples kids are in the crosshairs."
Tom, do you believe in our efforts in Afghanistan?
Comment Posted By Machiavelli On 11.01.2007 @ 18:04
WE REALLY ARE A VERY, VERY, CLEVER, SPECIES
Would the Great Pyramid in Egypt count as "tons of proof"?
Comment Posted By Machiavelli On 9.01.2007 @ 16:44
THE DARK SIDE OF "TRADITIONAL VALUES"
convertingtoislamfirstchanceIget,
I guess if we're going to conclude that ALL politicians lie, then what's the point in having them take an oath in the first place? How do we know they're not lying?
Comment Posted By Machiavelli On 22.12.2006 @ 08:47
Nitpicker,
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but since we seem to have moved on to Bible verses, here's one that makes it a no-brainer for any professed christian to use the Bible for oath taking:
Exodus 20:16 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor."
Comment Posted By Machiavelli On 22.12.2006 @ 08:39
Tom,
So if I take an oath in front of a camera...it doesn't count? That's great news!
As for nitpicker, that verse you quoted was abrogated by this later one:
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Comment Posted By Machiavelli On 21.12.2006 @ 22:50
The main problem I have with allowing oath-swearing on the Qur'an is the fact that the Qur'an allows muslims to lie:
Qur'an 9:3 "Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations."
Qur'an 66:1 "Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows."
There is also this passage:
Qur'an 33:21 "You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone to follow."
This is problematic because there are numerous examples of Islam's prophet lying and permiting his followers to lie contained in the Hadith scriptures (which are considered to be divinely inspired), such as:
Bukhari:V7B67N427 "The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.'"
Bukhari:V4B52N268 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.'"
Ishaq:519 "Hajjaj said to the Apostle, ‘I have money scattered among the Meccan merchants, so give me permission to go and get it.' Having got Muhammad's permission, he said, ‘I must tell lies.' The Apostle said, ‘Tell them.'
Ishaq:323 "I am the best of plotters. I deceived them with My guile so that I delivered you from them."
Ishaq:365 Tabari VII:94 "Muhammad bin Maslamah said, ‘O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies.' ‘Say what you like,' Muhammad replied. ‘You are absolved, free to say whatever you must.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N369 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?' Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslamah got up saying, ‘O Allah's Apostle! Would you like me to kill him?' The Prophet said, ‘Yes,' Maslamah said, ‘Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.' The Prophet said, ‘You may say such things.'"
Ishaq:442 "By Muhammad's order we beguiled them."
Comment Posted By Machiavelli On 21.12.2006 @ 17:53
