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CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: THE CHICKENS COME HOME TO ROOST
Andy: I don't have the time, nor the patience anymore, to get into a point by point refutation of everything you say.
I'll make a few minor points, and then move on; you believe what you belive; I know what I know, that's the difference.
1) Joe Wilson; if you want to term Joe Wilson an OSCINT collection asset; that's fine; I can accept that.
But in terms proving you're point by using him as an example of "policy driving collection assets"; he's the worst example you could use1
He was NOT tasked by the Administration, specifically Cheney; IF you're buying that, then your moniker is, as I suspect, bogus, and you are the one drinking the Kool Aid!
Joe Wilson, was tasked by his wife, at the behest of the CIA; and Joe Wilson's own bias, made him think that HE was proving a "negative", when in fact, he actually proved a "positive"!
That's the truth of the matter, nothing more, nothing less.
Of course, you're right about policy having an influence over collections/assets, that's true; in fact I think I remember collection assets being tasked by "policy makers" now, in two instances that I can recall; when Ron Brown's plane went down in Ethiopia, I think Clinton tasked collection assets to find him; and if I'm not mistaken, the same thing happened when JFK Jr's plane went down, the other year?
2) I'd be curious to know who you think is the "lead agency" in the IC? Certainly the whole time I was in the IC, if you told the CIA, who had veto authority over EVERY IC asset, if they wanted to push the issue, that they were NOT the "lead" agency, they'd just laughed in your face. I know many a people who tried to "prove" that the CIA was NOT the "lead agency", and they lost that battle every time! And I clearly remember a time, when the Director of the CIA was appointed as the lead/unofficial head of the entire IC; if you have evidence to contradict that, I'd like to see it!
Now, I've NO dealings with the IC since the reorganization/Negroponte, etc.; so I really have no idea what the political-in-knife-fighting is like nowadays, nor do I care; I left that world behind, and no longer care to "play".
3) I didn't "ignore" the 1995 Ballistic Missile NIE you discussed; I just didn't see how it was relevant to what I was talking about originally, nor did I care, frankly. And, I don't mean that in the arrogant way it undoubtedly sounds in black and white, I just didn't see it was relevant to any point I was trying to make; it may have been relevant to yours, but not mine.
4) I guess we won't agree on Paul Pillar; I know people who know him; he can write whatever he wants; I trust their judgements; so no use arguing ad nauseum about that.
5) If the CIA becomes nothing but a HUMIT collection Agency; and focuses on that; that, in my humble opinion, would be a good thing; they've lost their "way" over the years, with Ops, and Sci & Tech; etc., etc.
6) Your whole Cropduster/AQ vs. IRA/car bomb analogy, I reject completely out of hand.
I was, THE LEADING Islamic Fundalmentalist Analyst in the IC for a period of time. Let me state that unequivocally! To this day, I'm still sought for my expertise, and my knowledge on that subject, by dozens of people on the inside.
I don't do "talking head" interviews; I don't write books, and I don't "publish". My knowledge, was gained, over the past 30 years the hard way! Been there, done that!
I don't seek "recognition", book contracts, movie rights, nor acknowledgement; but I know, what I write, and who else knows it, and that is very few.
I'm also the person who stirred up the Military Intel community, for refused to adhere to the "...find out what your CO wants to know, and then tell him that...." type of attitude.
I'm also the person who pissed off the DIA, because I refused to write analytical pieces, where the end analysis had been determined BEFOREHAND, and then go out and FIND the facts to fit it!
That's despicable, wrong, and ill serves the very people we were sworn to protect and serve.
So, I don't need a "lecture" on how to be an analyst, nor how to do "intel"!
Been there, done that; my conclusions, were, and always will be; where the facts take me!
7) You have your opinion of the ISG, I have mine; frankly, I'll take mine. Your guess, as to who, and what I was with, and the abilities of some of the Military CBR experts I've known, and served with, is completely, and thorougly off base!
I worked with CIA experts, in different fields, ALOT; they are ALWAYS, just like their buddies in the State Department, pushing some type of Political Agenda! Always...
The professional, knowledgeable, experience Military guys I worked with, NEVER pushed a Political Agenda; they wanted to take care of their people/troops, get their job done, and get home!
Again, if I had to choose, I'd take the people I served with, in a heartbeat!
You mention the people you knew/know, as PhD's, etc., to prove your point; in fact, that proves MY point; memebers of Academia; primarily liberal; anti-Bush; pushing an Agenda! It's that simple, and that sad; knew dozens of them in the CIA, and State Department; all "experts"; and when you scratched the veneer, all pushing a Political Agenda.
Anyway, this is my last post on this subject; we've worn it to death; and further discussion will advance the cheese, nowhere!
You have your opinions, based upon your experience and knowledge; I have mine.
I respect you're right to your opinions, even if I disagree with some of them.
Additionally, this is Rick's forum, and I don't want to get started in a Blogwar point-counterpoint that eats up reams of eSpace.
You've made your points, I'll take them into consideration.
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 25.08.2006 @ 07:38
PS: here's another one for you!
I was in Northern Iraq in the spring of 1991.
The Iraqis hated us being there, helping the Kurds, but they couldn't do anything about it.
That didn't keep them from "planning" attacks on us. They made a run a me, once or twice, probably to get the Kurdish Pershmerga guide I was with, most of the time.
They got him with a car bomb, some months after I left the country.
Anyway, when I was "in country"; we picked up, DEFINITE "Intel" that the Iraqis were contemplating a "chemical" attack upon us, using a CROP DUSTER airplane!
What/who does that sound like.................??
Go do a little research of what was on Zachariah Mousaoui's Computer, when the FBI had him in custody, BEFORE 9/11......and wouldn't search his computer, due to Jamie Gorleck and others....!!!
Hmmmmmmm, and 9/11 and the Iraqis are/were NOT related????
As soon as it became open knowledge after 9/11, that Mousaoui was in custody, and what was on his computer, I immediately contacted people I knew on the "inside", and passed along that bit of "Intel", as a reminder!
People thought it was "interesting", but no one wanted to contemplate at that time, that Iraq was actually involved; Al Qaeda made the better "bogey man"!
Me, I need no further convincing, frankly! That, and Atta's trip to Spain.
I'm still up in the air about the Czech-possible meet, but don't rule it out; but there was also the Malaysian meet as well!
But let me draw a "picture" for you:
It's a FACT, acknowledged by the MSN back then, and in fact, pursued vigorously by them back then, that KSM, the planner of the WTC bombing in '93, had Iraqi backing/funding/logistical help, for that attack.
That's a FACT.
KSM, and his relatives, including Ramzi Yousef, accepted/sought out the help of the Iraqis for that, and got it.
Then, KSM and his family, so-called "Baloochis", from Kuwait, but in reality, Pakistanis, after WTC '93, got gobbled up by UBL/Al Qaeda; and Ramzi Yousef quite frankly told his FBI handlers, when they flew him past the WTC when he got arrested and flown back to the US by the FBI, that basically we'll get it next time.
Meanwhile, if you're reading all the good translation stuff Capt. Ed is doing over at Capt's Quarters, you'll see there is no doubt, while KSM is forging his ties with Al Qaeda, UBL was moving from Sudan, which had a relationship with Iraq, to Afghanistan, and the Iraqi Secret Service was sucking up to the Taliban, and Al Qaeda. Hecks, even the Clinton Administration/Berger et.al, were pushing it like crazy; that the Iraqis were the power behind the “Chemical†plants in Khartoum that Clinton fired the TLAMs at! And in the Clinton Administration's legal filings of the time, they repeatedly linked the Iraqis and Al Qaeda/UBL.
Regardless, so IF KSM used Iraqi help on the WTC bombing, and the Iraqis were helping Al Qaeda in Sudan with their Chemical/WMD program (according to the Clinton Administration); and the Iraqis were sucking up to the Taliban and Al Qaeda when UBL moved to Afghanistan, as the Documents over at Capt Ed's CLEARLY show; then my rhetorical question to you is: IF the Iraqis where that involved, all along, why the heck would they suddenly 'back out", and NOT be involved, in some manner (Intel, support, logistics, money, ideas, etc.) with 9/11, when they had already cooperated been involved, from all aspects, since the WTC???
Does that make sense to you??
To use an archaeology term:
Absence of Evidence is NOT Evidence of Absence.....
But if you ask the MSM, there’s no Iraqi involvement with 9/11, because Saddam was a “secular†Muslim, and UBL is a Sunni Wahhabi! (That’s totally not true, Saddam was not “secularâ€, and UBL is not a “Wahhabiâ€, he’s a Salafiyyah/Qutbiyyah; but that’s another post from me, to you all, some other time....)
So, since the “experts†in the MSM think that “secular†Muslims wouldn’t cooperate with “Sunnisâ€; ask them to explain the Sunni Hamas cooperating with the Shia Hezbollah over the past 10 years, over in Gaza/West Bank/Lebanon, and most recently on display last month and this with the Israel/Hezbollah war????
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 24.08.2006 @ 15:26
Donkatu: you are correct on both accounts; and as I've posted here before, read this eye-opening account.
Even the MSM before they became Anti-War, were reporting that right after US Troops reached Baghdad, it was an opening and running "joke", not to drink any of the water out of the T-E river running thru Baghdad, because the level of "chemicals" dumped in it, was so high, it'd probably kill you!
CNN or someone, even had it tested, and it was steaming cesspool of precursor type chemicals....
But, that's all "disappeared" from the MSM memory banks, now that it's de riqeur to be anti-War and more important, anti-Bush...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1110254/posts
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 24.08.2006 @ 15:00
Japate: my point was, and maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough; yes, all that stuff in your first paragraph was true! And the CIA was the one that said it was true, for 20+ years; and suddenly, when Bush invaded Iraq, it was NO longer true! According to them, they knew there was no WMD in Iraq, even though for 20years, they'd been telling everyone there WAS WMD there!
Then, when no WMD's were found; they abandoned the sinking ship like rats, and suddenly started their MSM "leak" campaign, claiming all along, that they knew there was NO WMD in Iraq, but that the Bush Administration "cherry picked" the Intel, and all that crap; and that IS my point; they're liars, and fabricators, and political CYA animals, intent on politically damaging a President, instead of admitting one of two things:
1) either all their 20+ year Pre-War Iraqi WMD "intel" was BS; or...
2) Iraq had in fact, Destroyed all their WMD's between the Gulf War and the Iraq War, and they MISSED it....or
3) Iraq still had it, but moved it over to Syria/Iran/Lebanon via Spetznaz or whatever,......or
4) Some combination of the above,......or
5) Some of it is still there, and has been hidden, or just plain ignored, or misinterpreted, like the cyclosarins that were found buried all over the country by US Troops, and immediately dismissed as "pesticides" by Duelfer and his totally incompetent ISG.....or...
6) Whatever....
But instead of doing that, they sought to immediately distance themselves from ANY Pre-WAR WMD's in Iraq claims, and make it all look like Bush/Cheney/Pentagon/DOD's fault, which is total BS....
Sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph; I never mentioned Nasrallah nor Lebanon??
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 24.08.2006 @ 12:25
Rick: Hi, good post, as usual, but I have some "insight" I'd like to add.
I want to make clear, I am NOT saying I ever worked FOR the CIA; because I never did work FOR them.
But, in my previous life, I did in fact, work a lot WITH the CIA, and I was a major consumer of their products, and had access to a lot of their stuff.
Why is that important?
Because, the fact is, from the mid-1980's, up until the Bush Administration, it was the CIA's Official Position, that Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and some other countries, were in a MAJOR and unending quest, to develop, buy, steal, or whatever, WMD's!
I literally read, THOUSANDS of messages, studies, analysis, etc., concerning all those countries, and their WMD programs.
ALL written as an absolute CERTITUDE! No dissension, no "alternative" views, etc. etc.
Anyone remember the "Rabta" complex in Libya?
The CIA was pushing that all thru the 80's - 90's!
In fact, the CIA's WMD drumbeat, which continually led us analysts, working in other "arenas" to constantly jump thru hoops, to "prove" their accusations to our bosses; and I can tell you, CATEGORICALLY; that the CIA's reporting on the WMD programs on those countries, nearly sparked a half dozen or more armed conflicts, wars, interventions, etc., just based upon their reporting, during the late 80's - 90's!
And let me tell you, us "independent" analysts, used to make a living, off of DISPROVING a lot of the CIA Bullshit they were cramming down the throats of unsuspecting, and totally believing policy makers at the National, Operational, and Tactical levels!
As soon as they would release something new, on WMD's in Syria, or Libya, we'd immediately set out to Disprove it, and we were more often correct, and they were most often wrong!
But that didn't stop them from continuing to publish!
So, the FIRST time, I EVER heard that the CIA didn't believe that there was WMD's in Iraq, was when the Bush Administration wanted to go to war with Iraq, and went to war with Iraq!
Because for the previous 20+years, we were regaled with stories on a yearly basis of their latest attempts to buy Uranium or yellowcake from Africa; the shipments to Iraq, the missles, the warheads, the VX, the Sarin, the Crop Dusters being used for poison areosals, etc., etc., etc.
So for the 20 years, the CIA had been brainwashing the entire US Intel Community, into thinking that Iraq was WMD Nirvana!
And now, the first time I've EVER heard, that Iran was not the second coming of WMD Nirvana, is now, from the CIA, because they think the Bush Administration is preparing to go to War against Iran!
So, to me, it's only patentedly obvious: the CIA is at war, with the Bush Administration; they could give a damn about their previous 20+ years of WMD analysis in the region; this is pure, old-fashion, politics on the CIA's part; and the fact of the matter is, the CIA needs to be dismantled, or shut down, and we need to start over.
It is a Bureaucratic, hidebound, anti-American entity, that has outlived it's usefulness, and has proven it cannot be trusted.
I could tell you other stories, that would turn your hair white; but they'd look me up, and put me in jail; so this will suffice.
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 24.08.2006 @ 09:56
Rick: Hi, I don't agree with all your analysis or conclusions; but I'd defend to the death your right to say them, being a former Marine and all.
And, for anyone who has attacked you for saying them, they're just proving that they really belong on the other side.
Dissent with the analysis if you like; but don't attack the person, like most of the Leftists.
That's why they're nuts; they confuse dissent with personal attacks, and criticism with ad homenim attacks.
More later...
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 21.08.2006 @ 13:54
Rick:
The below link, leads to a Sky News article, about the airplane bombing plot out of the UK today:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1230422,00.html
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke said the probe had been underway for several months.......
"During the investigation an unprecedented level of surveillance has been undertaken and that surveillance has had as its objective to gather intelligence and evidence in support of the investigation," he said.
"We have been looking at meetings, movements, travel, spending and the aspirations of a large group of people. This has involved close co-operation not only between agencies and police forces in the UK but also internationally.
Notice the keys words in the passages:
SURVEILLANCE
SPENDING
So, my rhetorical questions for the MSM are:
1) in light of your revelations over the past year, vis a vis the NSA Surveillance Program, and the SWIFT Banking Programs; IF this plot had succeeded, would you be willing to pay compensation to the victims families, for your part in destroying our intelligence capabilities to stop such plots?
2) since the plot was disrupted, HOPEFULLY, how much sooner could it have been disrupted, IF you had NOT revealed that information?
3) how many other plots will we NOT find, because of your irresponsibility?
4) will you (NY Times, LA Times, etc.); now make it your duty to find out the means used, to disrupt this plot, and reveal it as soon as you can??
Ad Nauseum, ad naseum....
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 10.08.2006 @ 13:17
THE OLD WISE MAN AND THE NUTCASE
TAQIYYAH:
Rick, in case I haven't posted it here before; please keep in mind, this article I wrote for the US Military, prior to the Iraq War; so it was Sunni specific; it MORE than equally applies to the Shias in Iran, who with their Hezbollah lackeys, follow the Usuli canonical school of Ithna Asheri ("Twelver") Islam!
Taqiyyah is a way of life with them; thus you can never trust anything they say, say they will do, commit to, sign, etc.
Especially, when dealing with us "kafirs" or "infidels"!
It's not Required to tell the truth, nor honor any commitment you make to an "infidel"!
The Practice of Taqiyyah among Muslims
© Copyright: Dale 30th March 2003Some comments on the Muslim practice of al-Taqiyya/Dissimulation:
The practice of “Taqiyya†(from the Arabic root word “waqa†= “to safeguardâ€) within Islam, is most often associated with the Shi’ites; however, it is in fact, practiced almost as widespread among Sunnis, and especially among Sufi Sunni sects, who like the Shi’ites, view themselves as open to discrimination or attack, because of the deviancy of their particular Sufi doctrine from mainstream Islam.
Sunni Muslims will resolutely deny that taqiyya is a Sunni practice, almost universally citing it as a heretical practice by Shi’ites. Supposedly, since Sunnis believe more in Pre-destination than Shi’ites, who believe more in “free willâ€, taqiyyah is not necessary among Sunnis; since one’s fate is already determined by Allah.
Thus practicing taqiyyah supposedly would not alter one’s fate, is the Sunni rationale! Both sides, have for centuries, issued religious tracts either variously condemning or praising the practice, and either side is able to point to multiple Suras (revelations or sayings) in the Qu’ran, or tracts from other Religious works, to support their various positions.
However, this is how a leading Western Islamist Scholar, the Frenchman Cyril Glasse, himself a convert to Wahhabi-style Sunni Islam, defines “Taqiyya†in his Concise Encyclopedia of Islam:
…“self-protection†and hence “dissimulation [in order to protect oneself]â€. The principle of dissimulation of one’s religious beliefs in order to avoid persecution or imminent harm, where no useful purpose would be served by publicly affirming them. It is contained in the Qu’an 16:106:
Whoso disbelieves in God, after he has believed – excepting him who has been compelled, and his heart is still at rest in his believe – but whosever’s breast is expanded in unbelief, upon them shall rest anger from God, and there awaits them a mighty chastisement….
A Prophet however cannot dissimulate the truth. Otherwise, recourse to this refuge is universally accepted in Islam!! (Emphasis Mine) It is, however, associated most closely with the Shi’ites who practiced taqiyyah systematically and widely during periods of Sunni domination to hide their beliefs from Sunni Muslims.
Who better to define the practice, than a Wahhabi Muslim!
And since Al Qaeda, Usama bin Laden’s “movementâ€, is in fact a Sufi – based movement (more on this in a later analit; the Sufism practiced by bin Laden and his followers, is Metaphysical Sufism, and must not be confused with the “folk†Sufism of groups such as the Whirling Dervishes, whom Sufis like bin Laden despise, and regard as just as heretical as Shi’ites!), under intense pressure from outsiders/non-Muslims/infidels/heretics, it is only logical to assume that they are practicing “taqiyyah†as much as possible!
In an extract from an article I wrote over a decade ago, an example of Sufi taqiyyah being practiced by a Western convert is illustrated:
“The famous example of Captain Sir Richard Francis Burton, the great nineteenth century British soldier, explorer, adventurer, writer, linguist, spy, and Islamist, is a case in point. At the early part of his career, during a seven-year sojourn in India, Burton became enamored with Islam, and eventually converted to Islam and became a member of an Indian Sufic sect. He later joined another Sufi sect while in Cairo, and maintained the religion, seemingly intermittently, until the day he died.
However, a new recent in-depth biography about Burton almost conclusively proves that Burton practiced "taqiyya" as a means to mislead his devout Catholic wife, the British Government, and his adoring public, as to the extent of his Sufi devotion.â€
The challenge to us, as Westerners/non-believers, is realize that this phenomenon exists, and how to deal with it! One of the basic ironies of the practice of taqiyyah itself is to deny the very existence of taqiyyah! How can one practice something, that doesn’t in fact, exist? But for any Westerner, who has dealt intimately with Muslims, for a long time, the continued frustration of feeling deceived, or “lied†to, on a constant basis, does in fact have it’s basis in the practice of “taqiyyahâ€.
Thus, when we are watching Saddam Hussein on a newscast, deny he has weapons of mass destruction; or listening to Usama bin Laden, in some audio broadcast, deny, or dissemble as to whether he was involved in, or had knowledge of 9/11, it’s a deceit that causes us to vent in frustration at the TV screen, or radio, but it’s also a kind of wink-wink/nudge-nudge kind of deceit that is immediately understood by the Arab/Muslim audiences (who by the way, believe that we (westerners/non-Muslims) don’t “get itâ€) as “deceit†that is necessary, and “allowable†because the intended recipients are intent upon doing harm to the speakers!
Thus, with hundreds of Al-Qaeda followers in captivity, and more to come, as well as possibly soon in the future, Iraqi leaders, etc., an understanding of the phenom is paramount. For the Al Qaeda, it’s a belief system inherent in their Sufic believes. For Iraqis, the majority of whom are supposedly secularist, it would be utilized to protect oneself from legal retribution.
For military and civilian interrogators, dealing with Al Qaeda members, being aware of “taqiyyah†may in fact give them an edge. Also, being aware of the fact that Al Qaeda is a Sufi movement, with Salafiyyah origins (Arabic for “the pious ancestorsâ€)1
This will also give them a basis to begin understanding the theology behind the movement.
1. Salafiyyah such as Usama bin Laden, trace the origins of their movement back to the 10th Century Islamic theologian, Ibn Tamiyyah. Islam, in the 10th century, was under assault by the Mongols, after four centuries of unprecedented growth. The Mongol leader Hagulu, who bin Laden has compared President Bush too, even today, inspires dread among Muslim historians. Ibn Tamiyyah’s response, was that Islam was under assault, for the first time since it’s founding, because Islam had grown corrupted by non-Islamic thought and practices (Hinduism, Christianity, Greek Philosophy, Shi’ites, etc.); thus, the only way to defeat this threat, and re-assert Islam to it’s rightful place, was to harken back to a more “pure†form of Islam as practiced by the Islamic “ancestorsâ€, such as the Prophet Mohammed and the Four “Divine†Caliphs. One of the reasons that bin Laden wants to re-establish the Islamic Caliphate!
Thus Ibn Tamiyyah spawned the Salafiyyah movement, which has had many incarnations, but one that is most closely followed by Hanbali Sunnis, their offshoot the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia, and it’s various manifestations in Algeria, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. For the GIA in Algeria, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and Al Qaeda in Saudi/Yemen, are all Salafiyyah movements, as are various other Islamic “movements†in such trouble spots as Aech in Indonesia, certain of the Somali “tariqa†(Sufi brotherhoods); the Hadramut Wadi in Yemen (bin Laden’s ancestral homeland!!); the former Sokoto Caliphate in northern Nigeria; Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines, the Taliban in Afghanistan, and even the Deobandis in Pakistan and India (the same Sufi “tariqatâ€, by the way, that President Musharraf of Pakistan and most of the upper-level Pakistani leadership and Pakistani security forces belongs to! Hence the “influence†of bin Laden on them, and vice versa. In fact, Musharraf’s “conversion†to strong U.S. ally in the War on Terror, may be the most astonishing case of “taqiyyah†that’s taken place in recent memory!)
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 9.08.2006 @ 15:45
Canine: going at least back to Sacco & Vanzetti, the "anti-war" Left in this country, has not only been "anti-war", but they've been anti-American as well!
But, they're only "anti-war", when it's America at war; when it's one of their favored worker's "paradise's" war's, like the Soviet Union, Cuba, etc., that's okay.
Now, Sacco & Vanzetti, were supposedly, NOT communists, but were anarchists/radicals.
But their supporters, especially the Liberals/Leftists of the times, in the elite bored aristocracy of New York, San Francisco, and the left-leaning MSM of the day, did have many Socialists and Communists among it's cliche.
These people later metastized into supporters of the Soviet Union, joined the Civil War in Spain against Franco; argued against the US joining WWII and were pro-Soviet Union; their kids becames supporters of Castro in Cuba, and grew up to become the radicals of the 60's; and their grandkids now, are people like Sean Penn (research his family history...!); Al Franken (his as well....), etc., etc.
In otherwords, for One hundred years now, we've had at least three generations of these Leftists, who've been anti-American from the start; it's a "religion" with them; America the Evil, tear it down, etc., etc...
It's like a generational, mass-pschosis type of thing; self-hating, destructive, and delusional; they literally don't know any better; it's been passed down from their parents, and grandparents, in some cases!
They've infected the MSM, Acadamia, etc.
I hate to feed into their victimhood complex, but it is like a disease; one that is hereditary....
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 9.08.2006 @ 14:03
Rick: as always, a great post.
I know, I agree; sometimes I wake up and thing the whole world has gone to shit!
As a father of three daughters, I wonder, did I do the right thing by brining them into a world that seems out of control, and one rushing headlong to it's premature end!
But the only reason I have hope, is that all the statistics show, that the world, today, as crazy as it seems, is "safer", and more peaceful, than at any time in the past 100 years.
I'm too young for WWII; one can only imagine what our parents, or grandparents, must have felt, waking up during the dark days of WWII, and how they thought of the future at that time!
Bottomline Rick, is you're right; we are in a GLOBAL WAR; actually, we are in Several "wars" right now; and it's going to be a struggle.
We are, and have been, since 1977, in a slow, simmering, slowly building war, with the forces of Radical Islam.
Part of the problem there, as I continually try to educate people, is that Islam is at war with itself, and the the war WITHIN Islam, greatly impacts non-Muslims as well.
Since 1977, and the fall of the Shah, Shiaism and Sunnism have been in an ever heated competition, for the hearts and mind of the "Dar al Islam", the worldwide "faithful".
For a brief while, and almost overlooked, Qadhaffi tried to invent a "Third Way" type of Islam, for which he was promptly branded an Apostate by the Wahabbi Imams of Mecca; but we had, from about 1977 until the mid-90's, a three way competition between three brands of Islam: the Shias in Iran/Syria/Lebanon vs. the Wahabiyyah/Salafiyyah/Al Qaeda/Muslim Brotherhood types, with Qadhaffi leading all the "revolutionary" types with his "Third Way" type of Islam, in places like Sudan, Chad, Yemen, etc.
Qadhaffi, never really recovered from the pounding that Regean gave him, and dropped out of the race, by the mid-90's; but the ascent of the Salafiyyah-type Sunnis, in places like Algeria, and Afghanistan, with Al Qaeda after the Gulf War, temporarily put the Shia's on the backburner.
However, when the Israelis expelled a bunch of Palestinian radicals from the West Bank and Gaza, into Lebanon, back in the late-80's, it gave a chance for Hezbollah to "adopt" them, teach them suicide tactics, truck bombings, etc., and when they were allowed to return by the Israelis ten years later, it gave Hezbollah a unique chance, to temporarily bridge that Shia-Sunni Gulf, gain major influence within Hamas and the Palestinian community (helped by the fact that the Shia Imad Mugniyeh, Hezbollah Public Enemy #1, "joined" Fatah in Lebanon in the 1970's, and was seen subsequently as a "member" by both the Palestinians and Hezbollah!), and the Intifada was soon launched.
That, ultimately, is what lead to where we are today; with Iran/Syria now fighting Israel by "proxy" in not only Lebanon, but also via Hamas.
And of course, the Sunni Salafiyya, resurgent ever since the first WTC bombing attempt in 1993, cannot let the Shia "win" the hearts and minds of the worldwide "faithful", so we have to have things like 9/11, the USS Cole, etc., to show their Jihadi anti-Western bonifides!
On top of that, and if that wasn't bad enough, we are, frankly engaged in a "war" ourselves, in the US, and Europe, between the secular/"progressive" forces, and our own Religious forces, in a battle over the very "soul" of our societies!
The "secular" forces, in the West, lead by secular Jews, and anti-Christian "Christians" (atheists, nihilists, anarchists, unreformed and unrepentent Communists/Socialists, and just plain "hippies", "progressive" forces such as pro-gay rightits, etc.), are allied against the Conservatives and Religious communities in the West, in a battle over our Schools, Acadamia, the futures of our children, the courts, our legal systems, immigration, the environment; it's a coordinated assault of moral equivalency and relativism, designed to absolutely destroy any and all vestiges of morales, ethics, values, standards, and any Religious values, all in the name of "Progressive" values!
It's not a pretty sight!
It's bad enough, trying to get our act together, to fight a real "Clash of Civilizations" against Radical Islam, which is what we are, in fact, up against.
It's even worse, when you are engaged in what is in essence, a Civil War at home, within our Society; on one hand, those trying to rally to fight the worldwide Islamic threat, and on the other hand, the Jacobin "Left", in the US and Europe, whose solution to the "problem" it so surrender as quickly as possible, and just "hope" that they value us for our so-called "Progressive" values, and left us alone to live in blissful Dhimmitude forever!
It's a self-deluded Pipedream, of the worst order!
So, I reiterate, my same tired refrains:
1) Churchill said to Chamberlain, after he tried to surrender to Hitler: "You had a choice between War, and Shame; you chose Shame, and you shall have the War all the same!
The deluded Left in the US, and Europe, would best pay attention to Churchill!
2) A Nigerian Bishop, from northern Nigeria (mainly Muslim) said it best, after a lifetime of having tried to survive living with his Muslim "neighbors": "When Muslims are the minority, they are best neighbors around; when they are equal to you, they are aggressive and in your face; and when they outnumber you, they try to kill you!
LISTEN up DELUDED Leftists!
3) You're right Rick; the Left suffers from Cognitive Dissonace, as well as:
Category Error: they refuse to correctly Define, what the problem is! i.e., instead of correctly defining the problem as Radical Islam, define it as something else: Western Oppression, Colonialism, rich, white people, etc., etc.
If you can't correctly define something, how can you fight it??
Psychological Displacement: when you lash out at something else, than the obvious cause of your discomfort, in order to avoid the "truth". So, 9/11, becomes a Conspiracy Theory by Bush/Cheney/Halliburton, to control the world, because otherwise, you might have to admit the fact it was carried out by Radical Muslims! (See Category Error above.....!)
Stockholm Syndrome: is a psychological response sometimes seen in a hostage, in which the hostage exhibits seeming loyalty to the hostage-taker, in spite of the danger (or at least risk) in which the hostage has been placed. Stockholm syndrome is also sometimes discussed in reference to other situations with similar tensions, such as battered person syndrome, child abuse cases, and bride kidnapping.
Since the entire Left views itself already as "victims", they act like this anyhow!
Taqiyyah: A Muslim practice, sometimes said to be maily Shia, but other certainly use it; that basically gives you the "leeway" to lie, dissemble, obfruscate, etc., if you feel that revealing the "truth" would endanger your life!
In otherwords, it's okay to lie, if you feel you're in a minority, and might be attacked for your views, beliefs, etc.
Wow, how convenient. In the strictest sense, for Salafiyyah Sufic types like Al Qaeda, and Shias, this means, that it's not a "sin" to lie to an "infidel"!
Now, I have a rhetorical question? How can you EVER negotiate, ANYTHING with a Culture, that teaches it adherents, that it's okay to LIE to some who is NOT of your religion?
You do the "math" on that....
The sad fact is, the Left in the West, may not articulate Taqiyyah per se, but they certainly recognize it, and since the Left has transformed itself into a collection of persecuted "minorities" (black, female, gay, lesbian, left-handed, ADD, LMNOP....ad nauseum!); it does resonnate with them! Look at their "Fake but accurate" defense, used these days in everything from Rathergate to Plamegate to the Qana/Reuter's photoflap!
The sad thing, about the Left's headlong rush to committ societal suicide, like a flock of lemmings headed for the cliff, is what happens after they succeed in surrendering to the Jihadis, and Sharia is imposed on the world, and we live in Dhimmitude?
Do the "Progressives" (I HATE that term; as if their nihilisitc view of society and the world is SUPERIOR to ours, the arrogant bastards!) the Salafiyyah will let them live in PEACE! Because Islam is a religion of PEACE???
Well, the "Progressive" community contains a large number of Gays and Lesbians, correct? The punishment for that, under Sharia, is DEATH! CRUSHED by a Brick/Stone Wall; for examples, do some research on the Internet, to see how the Taliban handled Gays, and what happens in Iran these days!
The "Progressive" community contains a large number of Atheists, Agnostics, etc., correct? All those people who sue to remove the Commandments from Court Houses, etc.?
Well, anything other than a FIRM belief in God, is APOSTASY, under Sharia, and punishable by DEATH!
One reason why Dhimmitude communities in the past, under Muslim rule, made SURE to display their Religiosity!
The "Progressive" community contains a lot of leftwing Politicians; correct?
Well, under Sharia, there is NO Politics! The ONLY Law allowed, is Allah's Law! No "political" parties, none! They dont' have any in Saudi Arabia! They don't have any in Qatar! They didn't have any under the Taliban; the Hezbollah ONLY had the "Party of God"!The "Progressive" Community has a lot of "Democrats", correct?
Guess what? Under Sharia, there is NO SUCH THING as "Democracy"!How do we know? Ask Bin Laden! Ask Zawahiri! IF Zarqawi wasn't dead, you could ask him! Ask any former Taliban members! Ask Ahmadinejad!
They've all made it clear, in MANY statements, in many times!
DEMOCRACY is a Western "invention"; there is ONLY Allah's law, Allah's will, Allah's "Democracy"; which isn't the same as ours!
The "Progressive" community contains a lot of people who like to parade around with tatoos, in tank tops, go to topless beaches, drink alcohol, smoke a little of the "weed", etc., etc.!
Guess what! ALL punishable by DEATH, under Sharia! Hope Madonna, and Brittany Spears enjoy those BURQA's
Women driving?? DONE! Women travelling Alone?? DONE Women Voting?? DONE! Little bit of extra-curricular sex?? DONE! A little bit of fun, intimate sex with your wife? DONE! They cut their genitalia off when they're little girls, so they won't "enjoy" it!
Soccer and other organized sports, such as Football, Baseball, etc.? Just see what the Islamists did in Somalia last month, the EXECUTED people for WATCHING World Cup soccer on TV!
You know, the more I write, the more I think maybe the best thing we could do, for the "Progressive" Left in the world, IS to encourage them to continue to surrender to the Salafiyyah; maybe after about half of them were executed, it might WAKE THEM UP!
People, I've lived in the Middle East, for half my teenaged and adult life; I speak Arabic, I've eaten with them, lived with them, travelled with them, gone to school with them, worked with them, and even slept with them; I've studied them, analyzed them, and alternately admired and despised them!
I'm telling you; you do NOT want to become like them!
I hope to whatever diety, or not, that you hold dear, that you wake the HELL up, before it's too late!
Trust me on this one.....
Dale in Atlanta.........
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 9.08.2006 @ 10:50
