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So Rick Moran what would be a fair play for conservatives at this point?

Comment Posted By wheelers_cat On 10.08.2009 @ 12:23

That is the beauty of can force the other player to play fair.
Fair play maximizes both sides winnings.
Otherwise the first side to cheat loses.
I'm pretty sure that was conservatives this time.
If conservatives went to the legislative table, that would force Obama to make a fair move in return.

Comment Posted By wheelers_cat On 10.08.2009 @ 11:47

They were never at the table to begin with.

umm...conservatives were never at the table?
I don't unnerstand.
Obama always makes the bi-partisan opening move public. Conservatives always just say no.
They could force Obama to negotiate in good faith (fair move) by publically accepting his overture, whether it is genuine or not.
The problem is that the conservative base has cast compromise as capitulation, so bi-partisan action has moved into the liberal payoff column.

Comment Posted By wheelers_cat On 10.08.2009 @ 11:40

ok, Kralizec.....lets get government clean out of healthcare!!
Let's stop medicaid and medicare right now.
Why not?

Comment Posted By wheelers_cat On 10.08.2009 @ 08:16

C3, ima grrl, here's my blog.

@ Michael Reynolds....yeah...some version of healthcare reform is going to pass.
The conservatives made STOP OBAMA==NO REFORM their game-goal so they will lose.
They should have NO PUBLIC OPTION the game-goal, and they might have got that.

A question for Rick Moran...can the conservatives go back to the legislative table?

Here is a very scary statistic for conservatives.... 6% of scientists are republicans...that means 94% are NOT-republicans.
65% of people with post-graduate degrees are NOT-republicans.
That is very bad for conservatives because 99% of college professors are either teaching research scientists or people with post-graduate degrees. That means the reason that academe is painted blue is not because of liberal bias, but that there just very few conservative professors available to hire.

They were never at the table to begin with. All of this talk of bi-partisanship is just that - talk. The real negotiating is going on between Harry Reid, who is fronting for Nancy Pelosi, and Max Baucus. Reid is relaying what the Finance Committee is doing to Pelosi who then takes it to the progressives to see if it will fly. And judging by how slowly this process is going, I imagine the liberals are not being very cooperative.

There are independent efforts going on that involve Lindsey Graham and a couple of other GOP senators with 3 or 4 Democrats. But I guarantee you that effort will go nowhere. They are out of the loop and are simply churning chum in the water so they can say they sincerely tried for a bi-partisan agreement.

I'm afraid that what has to happen now is a total defeat of what is being proposed and a trip back to the drawing board. That won't happen which means we will either get a spectacularly bad bill from the Democrats or nothing and health care reform will die for another decade.


Comment Posted By wheelers_cat On 10.08.2009 @ 06:22

Also....the GOP is a party having a hard time appealing to youth and minorities.
I don't think having the msm showcase the new GOP demographic-- people you could meet at a Klan rally.
Angry old fat white people screaming and having public pyschotic episodes is not the branding you want to project.
The teabaggers aren't persuasive....they are scary and unattrative.

Comment Posted By wheelers_cat On 9.08.2009 @ 21:36

USS Clueless link.....that SDB guy was hardcore pro-l33t.
He sure left a hole in the conservative intellectual firmament.
Nice Azimov.

Comment Posted By wheelers_cat On 9.08.2009 @ 21:31

Oh Sillie Rick.
Obama is playing tit-for-tat.
SDB classic--

There's been a lot of analysis of this, and it turns out that honesty isn't the best policy. One guy decided to run a computer tournament; people were permitted to create algorithms in a synthetic language which would have the ability to keep track of previous exchanges and make a decision on each new exchange whether to be honest or to cheat. He challenged them to see who could come up with the one which did the best in a long series of matches against various opponents. It turned out that the best anyone could find, and the best anyone has ever found, was known as "Tit-for-tat".

On the first round, it plays fair. On each successive round, it does to the other guy what he did the last time.

When Tit-for-tat plays against itself, it plays fair for the entire game and maximizes output. When it plays against anyone who tosses in some cheating, it punishes it by cheating back and reduces the other guys unfair winnings.

No-one has ever found a way of defeating it.

Tit-for-tat is the optimal solution in the iterated prisoner's dilemma, the IPD. In Evo theory of cooperation, the way for both sides to maximize their winnings is playing fair.
That would be, as you point out so elegantly, the legislative process.
But the conservatives initiated the cheat move with force-amplification, disinformation, and astroturfing.
Obama is just returning each cheat move with another cheat move.
The conservatives could return to fair moves and Obama would respond with fair moves in tit-for-tat....but the conservatives made their gamespace-goal "stop-healthcare-reform== break Obama."
So it would be difficult to reframe the game-goal to passing good legislation.
Tit-for-tat is unbeatable....did I mention that?


Comment Posted By wheelers_cat On 9.08.2009 @ 21:11


Some are more demagoguey than others, Rick.
We already have Death Panels....they are just free-market ones called insurance company care-authorization review boards.

Comment Posted By wheelers_cat On 10.08.2009 @ 08:36


I mean, lettin' Jesus drive is what landed us in Iraq.

Comment Posted By wheelers_cat On 4.07.2009 @ 10:35


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