And by the way it was not water boarding it was called the "water cure" by the Japanese and it in no way resembles the methods used in enhanced interrogation.Comment Posted By Oldcrow On 12.07.2009 @ 14:18
Commie Stooge Said:
Er, just in case you guys weren’t watching TV waterboarding is TORTURE, at least according to the US ARMY!
Not only did the US prosecute Japanese soldiers for it after WW2 we even prosecuted a few American soldiers for it as well.
Not a single one of these statements is true, you really should do some research and avoid selective comprehension.Comment Posted By Oldcrow On 12.07.2009 @ 14:16
I agree in general with your post but, there are three statements you make that are not correct:
1. It was not torture.
2. "Their motives were to protect the country - as it turns out, at too high a cost."
What cost would that be? I have yet to see any cost proven by anyone, it is all supposition.
3. "There is a dispute over whether they got anything of value from their illegal actions"
I have seen zero court rulings saying it was illegal and for every legal expert that says it was illegal there are just as many to say it was not, the same goes for the "anything useful" canard.
It seems to me which side you are on in this depends on your politics as much as the law so no I disagree it should not be investigated if for no other reason is it would become a circus.Comment Posted By Oldcrow On 12.07.2009 @ 13:41
Bsjones,Comment Posted By Oldcrow On 25.04.2009 @ 22:34
I agree where we disagree is in the method to accomplish that, I believe if we could get the American voter to do it we could vote every single incumbent out of office both Repub and Dem or better yet get a constitutional amendment placing term limits such as two six year terms in the Senate and six two year terms in the House we could start with that and go from there, trials are not the way to get the bums out educating voters on how they are being scammed by what is a career political class is. This is not a fight we need to have it is distracting from the truly counter American things that have been going on in Washington for a long time. I can tell you this is not the America our founders intended and it is not because of enhanced interrogation.
See you can't win this because your entire argument is based on feelings no facts, and let em make a prediction this is going to blow up in the Dems faces it already is because you see the public believes it was right and all the Dem leadership were up to their collective necks in it also no one will be prosecuted which is as it should be and as for transparency why in the heck would we want to expose intelligence gathering sources and methods? The Government should not be transparent in these matters and frankly you don't need to know, instead why don't you worry about something that really effects you like 12.5 trillion dollars in debt? Or the erosion of our property rights or the Second Amendment? Or Obama arguing in court that you don't have the right to council and I could go on and on, pull your head out and look at what is going on right in front of you that really does effect you and your life right now that this Admin and Congress are doing.Comment Posted By Oldcrow On 25.04.2009 @ 21:54
Been there done that next strawman please.
Oldcrow Said:Comment Posted By Oldcrow On 25.04.2009 @ 21:46
Oh and by the way as I recall McCain voted against the ban on waterboarding and the U.S. Army does what it is told for every Soldier who has been against it there are just as many for it, the same with the FBI and again enhanced interrogation is not torture.
Oh please give me a break, you are being purposefully obtuse I could care less how many terrorist's were interrogated using these methods in case you have not figured it out yet here is a clue I truly do not believe it is torture go from there with your argument oh and I could care less what is Christian, one it has nothing to do with the law and two what if I was Wikken or Hindu or Atheist? Then what? More BS strawmen and by the way I believe Obama allowed these memo's to be released in order to distract the public with the willing aid of the MSM from what is going on in Congress in regards to cap and tax, health care etc... this all just smoke and mirrors.Comment Posted By Oldcrow On 25.04.2009 @ 21:41
yeah let's have the show trial's and while they are going on congress can pass the laws they will persecuting the Bush Admin people of violating because there sure as hell are none on the books right now and since it was not torture exactly what would the law be? Oh I know we could call it the overzealous defense of our nation and citizens and protection of terrorists law, hey works for me! Oh and by the way as I recall McCain voted against the ban on waterboarding and the U.S. Army does what it is told for every Soldier who has been against it there are just as many for it, the same with the FBI and again enhanced interrogation is not torture. And speaking of dark comedy the irony of watching leftists and others defend terrorist's who would gladly slit you and everyone in your families throats without blinking an eye is humorous in the extreme, you would rather stick up for those trying to destroy us rather than the President and men who kept us safe for eight years and if you look at the polls the majority of Americans hold my and the others here point of view.Comment Posted By Oldcrow On 25.04.2009 @ 19:28
Or how about anti-gay? You see this is a republic rule of law that is the morality our government has to follow and no law says enhanced interrogation is illegal.Comment Posted By Oldcrow On 25.04.2009 @ 16:21
And Joe to me people that defend terrorist's who kill and torture innocent people are mentally sick.Comment Posted By Oldcrow On 25.04.2009 @ 16:18