I apologize for my not so civil behavior - i dont take religious intolerance well, and it probably set off some anger in me to see the way Chuck Tucson went about bashing Mormons.
Faith is a deeply personal thing - to use it as a cudgel to beat people up is bigotry - and it is scary how casual Chuck is when being so downright bigoted.Comment Posted By Nagarajan Sivakumar On 12.07.2009 @ 16:40
Are you challenging me to a chin up duel?
Chuck, Why do you keep talking ?
I've already sent you my e-mail address- the main point of that being to take this offline.
And YOU STILL CANT GET A FRICKING CLUE. I know that you are some where between middle aged and down right old, but i am now discovering two more important aspects about you.
Your dumbness and your bigotry. Not a good combination, and you are not too good at hiding either of it.
Not to mention your " Are you challenging me to a chinup duel" ? threat that scares the hell out of me.Comment Posted By Nagarajan Sivakumar On 12.07.2009 @ 16:31
Moderate doesn’t really mean much. I’m an independent. A bit melodramatic of you there with that ugliness thing.
No, it's not - you showed your ugly intolerant side for every one to see - nice trying to say it is "melodramatic".
I did answer it. It’s just as absurd.
Yeah right ! Christanity is just as absurd ! And yet every one of your 44 Presidents seems to be a Christian. And the first time a Mormon becomes President, you are suddennly alarmed
Having the same opinion on certain issues does not equal support. I voted for him because Republicans left me no choice.
Yeah, when you are ignorant enough, you would not know that there are libertarians- but you wouldnt agree with libertarians because you wouldnt know the first thing about economic freedom and individual freedom.
You could have voted Libertarian - instead you voted for one statist party and one statist candidate.
I destroy you every time we do this. Blue LED ring any bells? Chin up Nagarajan, I’m sure you’re just as amazing in real life.
Wow, Keyboard warrior ! You destroy me every time we have these arguments.... you are sooooo awesome dude !!!
If you want to know how amazing i am in real life, why dont you let me know who you are ? My e-mail address is
We will see who can chin up.Comment Posted By Nagarajan Sivakumar On 12.07.2009 @ 12:42
"All I’m saying is that people who believe that Joseph Smith was given magical golden tablets and magical glasses to read (and interpret) them with by an angel of the lord out in the woods on a hill, are brainwashed idiots who should never, ever, be allowed to run the most powerful country on earth."
All I'm saying is Chuck Tucson's "moderate" mask just slipped to reveal an ugliness that I never suspected of coming face to face on this site.
Btw, Chuck you didnt answer Rick's provocative question about Jesus and the foundations of Christianity. Why is it any different/better than Mormonism ?
And how is it that you supported Barack Obama for President after knowing the church he went to ?
Chuck Tucson - Just another demagogue dressed in the "moderates" clothing - Meh this, you low life.Comment Posted By Nagarajan Sivakumar On 10.07.2009 @ 20:29
"Nevermind the Evangelicals, millions of main stream Christians won’t vote for a Mormon. I’m sorry but I don’t want a man who believes he’s going to be a god someday have his finger on the nuclear button.
Wow, i am sorry but there seems to be a religious test in the minds of the citizens of this country, if not in the Constitution.
No consideration for ANY of Romney's strengths ?? None ? Not even if he could prove to be an efficient leader ? No?
For all the reasons any one could give not to vote for Romney, fear of him having his hands on the nuclear button must easily rank as the most egregiously dumbest one.
Btw, I am no fan of Romney's flip flop on abortion and i am surprised that i am backing him - i guess an open show of religious intolerance can do that.
Mormons - the favorite whipping boys of all Christians who didnt bother to understand Christianity well enough.Comment Posted By Nagarajan Sivakumar On 9.07.2009 @ 20:35
Mormonism is Christianity’s version of Scientology. L. Ron Hubbard = Joseph Smith. I’d love to hear Romney’s response when asked about the magical golden tablets, or the magical glasses needed to read the magical golden tablets.
Some one has been watching too much South Park ? But I digress.
Chuck Tucson, I have been a regular visitor to this website and I know that you are a self identified moderate or independent or what ever.
THAT being the case, why would YOU love to hear Romney defend his own Mormon faith ? I thought moderates like you treated a person's faith to be their own private business and no body else's. I further thought that moderates like you HATED the right for mixing religion and politics.
But you now would "love to hear" Romney defend his faith ? Why is that ? What exactly is the meaning of there is no religious test to public office ?
Were all these views sincerely held or do they just change conveniently when there is a Republican candidate to bash around ?
By the way, there has been a Mormon Senate Majority Leader for the last 30 months - and no, the "evangelicals" -people that you like to paint with such a broad brush, have not exactly killed themselves.
You know that the American electorate is FU***ED up when self professed moderates so gleefully hope to corner a man into defending his own faith.
Sigh.Comment Posted By Nagarajan Sivakumar On 9.07.2009 @ 20:29
"No, I didn’t support the Bush deficits and yes I do support the Obama deficits.
Obama’s spending is to prevent economic catastrophe. Bush’s spending to invade and occpuy a country that was no threat to us."
Prevent economic catastrophe ?? Well, i thought that was the TARP funds were meant for - or atleast so i thought until they started using it for bailing out GM, and everything else that they wanted to control.
It is amazing for what passes off as "debate" and how assertive JHarp is in saying the catastrophe would have not been prevented but for stimulus bill to be passed ! What kind of catastrophe is it when the stimulus would not take any meaningful effect as neglible as it is until the middle of 2010 !
The TARP legislation was voted on when Bush was President -this was supposed to be the "catastrophe-saver". Please know basic facts before getting into a debate.
And Bush was criticized AS MUCH for expanding Govt at levels not known since LBJ ( Medicare prescription, No child left behind, no cuts in any spending program) AS FOR invading Iraq - even when you rant against Bush, you dont seem to understand where he did the greater damage.
"Same way everyone in the history of the earth has. By increasing productivity.
Try thinking about it as a student loan."
Increasing productivity by increasing the size and scope of Government - now that is a jaw dropper !Comment Posted By Nagarajan Sivakumar On 7.07.2009 @ 19:15
It is comical to watch the derision thrown at the "tea-bagging" crowd. It is even more comical to watch the agony of these people who dont like Rick changing his mind.
Its almost as if no one cared to read the rest of the post as soon as they realized that Rick changed his mind.
I admit that these people should have protested during Bush's administration as well. But that complaint about being partial to Obama's deficit alone misses the point - what Obama has done in the first six months to the deficit is staggering.
You have to ask yourself this question - did you support the Bush Admn deficits ? If no, then why are you defending Obama's deficits - just as you accuse the Tea Party movement of being partisan, are'nt you being partisan as well?
Is this the "change" you all "believed" in ? The argument that there was "no other choice" but to ramp up Government spending by monstrous levels shows an intellectual laziness and rank ignorance about fundamental economics.
How is that "no other choice but the giant boondoggle of a stimulus" working out ? you know that bill that was 1000 pages long and passed in such a hurry so that unemployment is kept under 8 % ?? Well, dont worry it does not even start to have any positive effects until 2010. But there's already talk of a second stimulus !
How do you over come debt ? Why, by piling on more and more debt I suppose !
National Health care "option", Crap and Tax, Trillion dollar stimuluses that favor the various rent seekers of the Democrat party - enjoy it while it lasts.Comment Posted By Nagarajan Sivakumar On 6.07.2009 @ 18:37
I think your post is a defensive - Glenn was not taking you to task for not "staying the course" - what ever that's supposed to mean relative to criticism about the tea party protests.
His gripe was that
A. You didnt seem to appreciate the potential behind it and that you dismissed it too easily
B.It may not be easy to please all the people all the time - hence his snark about you dismissing them as "inauthentic" if they became more organized.
C. You were not able to see it atleast initially - for what it was - a wave of protests not just against the spending policies of Democrat politicians but against the policies of ALL politicians including Republicans.
The tea-party protests in my opinion were much more organized opposition than what the GOP has managed to do in the Hill so far. Given that the party is weak, the grassroot protestors have sensed that it is time that they depend on themselves instead of Washington politicians to voice their opinions and general displeasure at what is going on.
In Glenn's defense, he has also suggested some thing more than protesting - he has asked people to regularly participate in local councils and local meetings and ask the tough questions about how money is being spent in their local economies.
Your point about counterintuitive thinking is well taken but i dont think Glenn or any one else for that matter is against that - he isnt asking you to march lock step with you. His main gripe is that you didnt take it seriously enough initially even though he did - while both of you had access to pretty much the same facts and the same situation on the ground.
As regarding the "consensus" for the problems bedeviling the country, I personally feel that there is nothing much at the moment. Let the stimulus play out - let the real effects of cap and trade and a "public option" health care plan play out and then we can talk about building a consensus.
In the mean time conservatives should offer their health care plan (like Dr.Coburn did) and their stimulus plan (like Paul Ryan did EVENTUALLY after a joke played by Pence and company initially did).
If the public rejects these plans and is in more favor of the DEmocrat's version of these plans, then you have to have the humility to admit that a majority of Americans have decisively turned against its founding principles and try AS BEST AS POSSIBLE to live in this new world.
Because we are not merely talking about this or that "plan" but how much more expansive the Government has become and how much radically a citizen's relationship with the Government has changed. If Americans are ok with more and more Govt intervention in their personal lives, they will get what they want - they may not like it later on, but they will get what they want NOW.Comment Posted By Nagarajan Sivakumar On 5.07.2009 @ 20:59
Palin’s rambling speech makes me think that there’s another shoe going to drop and soon
I hate to agree with a "CommieStooge" but i think you are right - there is talk of federal indictments coming down the pipe.
And the absolute haste with which it was done - why could she have not done this a couple of weeks from now ? the Lieutenant Governer HAD NO IDEA this was happening !
It pains me as a Sarah Palin supporter to acknowledge that IF there are no scandals to follow, then she has thrown in the towel- what ever she was or wasnt i thought she was a tough woman - who didnt shrink from all the negativity.
I guess no one can quite say that they have been in her position - the vicious attacks reminds us of the true face of modern day "liberalism" - but if she didnt know what she was getting into, she deserves to go.
I hope and pray to God that they leave her IF there are no shenanigans or scandals that prompted this hasty departure.Comment Posted By Nagarajan Sivakumar On 3.07.2009 @ 20:25