I'm having trouble finding the DNC "Nazi" quote also..
Are you talking about DNC and Pelosi quotes that describe the Nazi symbolism on signs that some conservatives are carrying at recent protests??
Because those signs in question suggest that Obama, his policies, or his administration are comparable to Nazis...So, logically, that would mean that the sign carriers themselves DO NOT support Nazi ideas since they are protesting against what they see as a Nazi administration.
The only quotes I can find from the DNC and Pelosi are simply pointing out that protesters are carrying those images in an attempt to equate Obama with Nazis somehow.
I think you're mistaken if you believe that either the DNC or Pelosi are "describing their political opponents" as Nazis..
Check out Rush Limbaughs latest for a shining example of that.
They're just disgusted by the fact that their political opponents are describing Obama, his policies, or his administration as such.Comment Posted By Moltenorb On 8.08.2009 @ 12:52
"Both sides have been flinging the “N” word (”Nazi”) around like a monkey in a zoo tossing his feces at the gawkers. Pelosi, the DNC, a few tea partiers, and even a stray GOP lawmaker or two have used the word “Nazi” to describe their political opponents lately."
Ok...I can't find the Pelosi quote where she uses the word "Nazi" to describe her political opponents...Could you please supply that quote for your readers..
Thank you.Comment Posted By Moltenorb On 8.08.2009 @ 11:58
Is sponsoring town halls across America a bad thing?Comment Posted By Moltenorb On 7.08.2009 @ 15:51
Here's a name for you...Heather Blish.Comment Posted By Moltenorb On 7.08.2009 @ 15:42
Thanks for the link Rick. Much appreciated.
How is that any different than the Macguffie memo...or your own words..."a little encouragement from tea party groups"??
And I can't find any mention at all in that link about anyone "bussing" anyone anywhere..Just some handy tips and "encouragement" from groups on the other side of the debate.
Goose and gander my friend..
You're a very smart guy, and my favorite conservative blogger...but when you compare liberals and democrats to the birthers because of a perceived conspiracy, you need to choose your words wisely, or risk becoming a conspiracy theorist yourself.
As far as I can tell from your source...there is no proof that anyone is getting paid or being "bussed" to these town halls to counteract the initial protesters.
As far as I can tell, they are there because the behavior of the intial protesters is unacceptable, and should be countered.
Now, I'll feel differently if the counter protesters do initiate violence, but until then, these are just concerned citizens exercizing their rights, just like the guys that got there first...Except the guys that got there first acted like 15 year old school boys.Comment Posted By Moltenorb On 7.08.2009 @ 15:34
"The Democrats react by bussing in labor thugs for "protection"
Who exactly is bussing these "labor thugs" in Rick??
And how is your above statement any different than your so-called "conspiracy" by the left suggesting that those angry citizens protesting town halls were bussed in by conservative groups??
Don't accuse "Democrats and liberals" unless you've got proof Rick...remember what you said on 8/5/09...
"If you don’t have any names, it’s a base political smear, nothing more."
Then on 8/6/09 you question whether liberals believe that these "few thousands of souls wont take it upon themselves" to protest these town halls "with a little encouragement from tea party groups"
Perhaps these "labor thugs" are simply more angry citizens who are taking it upon themselves to secure these town halls from those who would protest in such an un-American way to begin with..
After all...you said it best..."The behavior of some conservative activists has been despicable."
Who could blame average citizens for attempting to counteract these despicable protesters?
I also disagree with you that people will not remember who started this...I believe they will.
I guess this constitutes a great big fat smoking gun:
"Over the past few days, groups like Health Care for America Now, the AFL-CIO — which is describing the town halls as the "principal battleground" in the health care fight — and Organizing for America, the president's campaign arm at the Democratic National Committee, have sent supporters logistical tips for dealing with any hostile conservative presence at the town halls, and for organizing lobbying efforts to neutralize their impact.
OFA sent its e-mail list a message Thursday that pointed to the protests as a fresh hurdle that called for a concerted push to contact members of Congress in response. "The goal of these disruptions is for a few people to get a lot a media attention and hijack the entire public discourse," wrote executive director Mitch Stewart. The message identifies the lawmaker who represents the specific congressional district of the e-mail recipient, and provides contact information."
The SEIU is also sponsoring most of the town halls across the country. They are bragging about it on their website.
ed.Comment Posted By Moltenorb On 7.08.2009 @ 14:15
We did make up the term "birther"...it's a code word for "sore loser."
Got hate?? Masturbate.Comment Posted By Moltenorb On 6.08.2009 @ 20:05
You know...I don't think anyone would care if these town hall protests were "manufactured" or not if the participants adhered to the rules of civil discourse..
The fact that they're waving swastikas and bibles, hanging representatives in effigy, following representatives to their cars in true "mob" fashion, and shouting down those who are there for reasoned debate just makes these people look like fringe players..
Here's the rules of a civilized American town hall meeting:
Wait your turn. Speak your mind. Shut up and listen. Wait your turn. Speak your mind. Shut up and listen. Wait your turn. Speak your mind. Shut up and listen. Let everyone have their say..
That doesn't seem so hard...does it?
Everyone organizes...both left and right...but if you want respect, you have to show some respect also..
These town hall demonstrators show none.Comment Posted By Moltenorb On 6.08.2009 @ 15:33
The word is "widespread" not "widesread"
I do agree with you that the left is taking political advantage here, but I don't find that anymore "dishonest" or "despicable" than the right implying that the Obama health care plan means certain death for the elderly.Comment Posted By Moltenorb On 5.08.2009 @ 21:51
"This isn’t even yellow journalism. It is propaganda, as Marshall and the rest of the left (who are, in fact, the ones who receive instructions on a daily basis about how to frame issues through their exclusive email list)"
This statement of yours ruined this entire post for me.
"The rest of the left"??...Please...That's a pretty large group that you're accusing here.
"Instructions on a daily basis"??...From who exactly?
Like you say..."If you don’t have any names, it’s a base political smear, nothing more."
We all know that both the left and the right engage in this sort of thing. It's politics as usual in the internet age. For you to imply that there are no right wing email networks spouting talking points and strategy seems naive to me.
Then you say:
"There is no “memo” that tells protestors what to do. If anyone else besides this guys mother, grandmother, and maiden aunt saw this “blueprint” I would be enormously surprised."
So you think that MacGuffie wrote his instructions, and then didn't even try to spread the word? He is a self described “opponent of leftist thinking in America” after all. It's his job to get the word out.
Whether you prefer to call it a "blueprint" as opposed to a "memo" is your perogative...but I don't think that you can deny it's existence, or suggest that he wrote it and then just left it on the kitchen table hoping that someone would read it.
You may be "enormously surprised" by the size of the email list that a guy like MacGuffie can compile...Ever thought of that?
And this is the internet...people tend to forward emails to there own lists, making information enormously surprisingly widesread in a very short amount of time.
How long after the MacGuffie memo did angry citizens begin disrupting town halls?...About a week maybe?
I'd say MacGuffie got lucky this time...He's probably pretty pleased with himself that the right picked up on his instructions and ran with them.Comment Posted By Moltenorb On 5.08.2009 @ 21:31