I am sorry, you lost me what â€œwar revenuesâ€ are you talking about?
He's talking openly about the oil we're stealing from Iraq. Except that money isn't going to our government - per se. Only to the individuals in our gov't who have stakes in the companies who are taking no bid contracts to pump all that oil out and ship it worldwide. Don't expect gas prices to go down any time soon, though.Comment Posted By Gravatar On 10.05.2006 @ 16:53
It was me being sarcastic. I was getting bored, as I noticed than when I am civil it seems to kill the tread on the RW blogs.
Oh well.Comment Posted By Gravatar On 10.05.2006 @ 16:20
1. Free and readily available late term abortions for all welfare mothers and rich white girls alike!
2. The right for all homosexuals to openly fornicate on street corners, be recognized as married couples, and adopt at will in the hopes of creating more fags - because we all know they weren't born that way!
3. The forced conversion of the American populace to Islam - sooner than later!
4. Net worth taxes at a rate of 10% annually. Proceeds going to welfare, promoting Allah as our one and only savior, and the degradation of moral values - all seemingly incongruous concepts, yet the goal of our liberal nation.
5. The systematic decommisioning of our military.
6. Handing power over to the illegal immigrants and bowing to the massive influx of dirty Mexicans as proof that the white race is dying.
7. The forced abandonment of self reliance, and the requirement that all people must give up jobs and rely on the government (funded by massive tax hikes) for assistance in survival.
8. The forced admission by all civilians that Communism is the right way to go.
Any more suggestions, guys?Comment Posted By Gravatar On 10.05.2006 @ 15:50
Nikko, rather than provide recent hateful Republican quotes, here is a "blast from the past" re: Bosnia:
"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99
" President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush
"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
Now do you want to engage in honest debate, or more fear/hate mongering?Comment Posted By Gravatar On 10.05.2006 @ 15:29
â€œUS troops terrorizing Iraqi women and children..â€
â€œArmy is broke..â€
â€œWe canâ€™t win this warâ€¦.â€
â€œBush Liedâ€¦â€ â€œNo blood for oilâ€¦â€
All democrats all the time.
Still donâ€™t see any similarities?
Nikko, I could sit here and rattle off a list TWICE as long as yours, but I won't.
Why?Comment Posted By Gravatar On 10.05.2006 @ 15:26
Because then I'd be a hypocrite. But I will say this:
've noticed before that being civil can kill the discussion. Especially with the nutcases. Damn, and I was having fun discussing things on "the real".
I also agree with the poster that said it takes real class to allow comments, and engage in debate, this is a great deal of fun and always come away with something when in discourse with opposing viewpoints.
Uh oh. Was I wrong? As soon as I struck a concilliatory tone, all comments from the "right" ceased, except for the single liberal bashing post by Good LT. Would you conservatives RATHER just call names like we're on the playground, or did we say something that you actually agree with?Comment Posted By Gravatar On 10.05.2006 @ 14:59
Couldn't be that you're all on conference calls or in meetings...
Maybe Kos didnâ€™t read the letter before he drilled your talking points into your head on his sewer of a blog.
Nice try, Good LT. I don't even read Kos (no kidding) because I think he is sometimes as radical left as sites like this one are radical right.
I read the first part of the letter prior to making my first post, then finished it later. It's pretty stupid, and you're simply proving my point. In my mind, you're giving the "right" a bad name.Comment Posted By Gravatar On 10.05.2006 @ 14:46
So, Rick Moran has read the letter, because, of course, he can read Persian?
It was translated to English by the Iranians prior to being sent. I've seen a .pdf of the original. It's pretty stupid, and if anything will galvanize the "left" against Iran even as it parrots and perverts some "lefty" beliefs. I'm troubled by ALL religious lunatics:
After twenty five years of personally observing the left/right confrontations this is what I see most of the time.
Go to most college campuses when a conservative speaks and learn how the left feels about free speech. Go to an abortion rally where both sides are represented and see how the left feels about differing opinions. Go to illegal immigrant marches where both sides are represented and see who gets the beat down.
The only dissent that most liberals are comfortable with is their own. We have so demonized anyone who disagrees that Rick is characterized as a right wing loony. Unfortunately for the left many times it takes a comic book example to get the point across.
Agreed. However, my main problem with the current trend in "stifling dissent" is that I see the conservative tactic of attacking the "biased liberal MSM" for the last 30 years working - and the conservatives STILL continuing to pound home "comic book examples".
Not to mention the fact that, unlike the "right", I'm unaware of any organized, concerted effort on the part of the "left" to systematically alter the level on which the public discourse (MSM) takes place. I mean AM Radio, media ownership consolidation through relaxation of FCC regulations, RW think tanks, the centralized dissemination of unified talking points,a network of authors solely dedicated to trashing the "left", The "K Street Project", and the continuous crying about the "libera media".Comment Posted By Gravatar On 10.05.2006 @ 12:53
When I speak of the public discourse, I generally refer to the MSM and blogosphere, and there I see a media at best scared to ask hard questions of the Administration, and at worst directly parroting RW talking points.
But as I said in my last post, the nature of the blog is to express these over the top opinions and rants, whithout an editor standing over the author a great deal of freedom (and irresponsibility as well) are allowed. I actually LIKE that about blogs, and would never want to lose that â€˜wild westâ€™ feel of opinion, and political discourse. In the end it makes me enjoy politics more, and stronger in my ideals
Again, I agree with you. And of course Rick has the right to his own opinion. I also respect him for allowing comments, and actually addressing them. I appreciate the opportunity to point out what I feel to be disingenuous tactics, and have my opinion rebutted.
If I came off as "hateful" then I apologize, but I see that word being tossed around all to casually these days - especially in the face of different opinions - to summarily dismiss them.Comment Posted By Gravatar On 10.05.2006 @ 11:45
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