Comments Posted By Don C.
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Busbot's straw man: “So . . . the ‘honorable men and women in uniform’ respect you offer to our troops only goes so far as to the ones that agree with you."
'The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.'
Check.
Busbot's appeal to authority fallacy: “But since you’ve clearly never gone through SERE training, and he went through it, then tought it . . . seems like he might know a little more about it than you do.”
'If an expert is significantly biased then the claims he makes within his area of bias will be less reliable. Since a biased expert will not be reliable, an argument from Authority based on a biased expert will be fallacious. This is because the evidence will not justify accepting the claim.'
Check.
Busbot: "I appreciate that argumentum ad hominenm (and apparently ignorantiam given the above) seems to be your style... If you’re just going to keep runnig from the weeealllly scaaaaawwwwyyy questions to hide behind irrevelant rudeness . . . well, resperctfully you look like a coward."
Hypocrite.
'Ad Hominem means "against the man" or "against the person."'
See also: 'Appeal to Ridicule: a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an "argument."'
Double check.
Busbot: "argumentum ad... ignorantiam."
Assuming that something is true unless it is proved false, e.g., "the assumption that SERE is "torture" is a practical, not a logical, process. Obviously, your surrogate authority appeal to Mr. Nance can opine that SERE is torture, but that neither makes it so, nor does it make those who've engaged in it actually guilty of a crime.
And mate.
[H/t: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ ]
Busbot: "Are you disagreeing that waterboarding and such are torture...?"
Obviously.
You obviously think SERE is both torture *AND* ineffective.
What hard evidence, besides Mr. Nance's opinion, do you have to support that claim?
Comment Posted By Don C. On 21.04.2009 @ 03:19
busboy33 Said:
"So . . . the 'honorable men and women in uniform' respect you offer to our troops only goes so far as to the ones that agree with you. How very impressive of you."
That's quite an unimpressive straw man from one of the "I-support-the-troops-but-*not*-the-mission" crowd.
One can respect Mr. Nance's service in uniform as honorable, while at the same time disrespecting his opinion.
"Is he the be-all end-all? I doubt it."
No one person is ever the "be-all end-all" on anything, except of course in the Modern Liberal drones' irrational minds. There you'll find countless examples of their "Special Champion" master minding their thoughts for them.
"But since you’ve clearly never gone through SERE training, and he went through it, then tought it . . . seems like he might know a little more about it than you do."
Therefore, by you own tortured logic, your own opinions in this matter are rendered utterly irrelevant because you've clearly never gone through SERE training, much less "tought" (sic) it.
Good work busboy!
Have a nice day...
Comment Posted By Don C. On 20.04.2009 @ 06:45
Quit your dullard "comedic stylings" while you're behind Michael Reynolds.
Retroactively attempting the cover (comfort) of self-flagellating "glory on this issue" makes you look all the more foolish.
Comment Posted By Don C. On 19.04.2009 @ 15:23
busboy33 Said:
"You seem like a bright guy..."
Thanks, you seem like a typical feminized Modern Liberal that feels displacement of your fear-based rages towards our benevolent America -- and her honorable men and women in uniform -- a less risky prospect than against the actual enemy: barbaric Islamo-nazi terrorists.
Nance seems like a Buddhist/ML convert who is, despite your appeal to authority fallacy, not the be-all/end-all on the subject of SERE training.
In any case, what should we do now with captive enemies with intel that could prevent another 9/11 - "The Comfy Chair!" and "The Extra Pillow!"?
Comment Posted By Don C. On 19.04.2009 @ 11:27
And now, thanks to Obama's disgraceful release of these top secret attorney/client privileged memos, America's barbaric enemies will simply train their terrorist operatives in SERE.
Nice going statists, you've aided the enemy once again.
Comment Posted By Don C. On 18.04.2009 @ 17:23
busboy33,
"Why don’t you ask the former master instructor of SERE?"
Ok.
Malcolm Nance wrote:
"If you support the use of waterboarding on enemy captives, you support the use of that torture on any future American captives."
That argument fails, in my view because America's enemies are bloodthirsty barbarians that would laugh at the weakness of waterboarding. No, they prefer to summarily lop off captives' heads.
Nance reveals:
"... once captive I believe that the better angels of our nature and our nation’s core values would eventually convince any terrorist that they indeed have erred in their murderous ways. Once convicted in a fair, public tribunal, they would have the rest of their lives, however short the law makes it, to come to terms with their God and their acts."
Considering America's current enemy, I couldn't disagree more profoundly with Mr. Nance on that one.
He also vilifies our guys in his piece, yet conveniently excludes the importance that our guys actually, as did he himself, *VOLUNTEER* for SERE training. They volunteered to be "tortured". So, why not apply such measures to our, once again, barbaric bloodthirsty enemies to whom zero laws of civilization matter?
Finally, these are non-uniformed enemy combatant terrorists that do not abide Geneva and are therefore, just like pirates on the high seas, subject to summary execution on the field of battle.
But, why waste a high value target like Zubaydah or KSM before extracting as much intel as possible first?
Then, once the intel is extracted, either execute 'em on the spot or lock 'em up for life.
Seems to me, bottom line, it's our feminized culture that has politically weakened all too many folks' will to apply the most harsh ROI available in exchange for their displaced "Hopes" to, pace Nance, "eventually convince any terrorist that they indeed have erred in their murderous ways."
Comment Posted By Don C. On 18.04.2009 @ 10:36
After reading the Bybee memo, it seems clear that SERE techniques employed on Abu Zubaydah et ilk comport the training protocols of some of our best American servicemen: NAVY SEALS.
If our SEALS endure it, then (a) is it *really* torture, and (b) why not apply it to the likes of barbarians like Zubaydah & KSM?
My guess is neither Obama nor Congress will pursue this because they know full well the intel gathered under SERE from these enemies averted specific terrorist plots.
Comment Posted By Don C. On 17.04.2009 @ 19:51
Call me a skeptic on this report.
And, America's current barbaric enemies do not abide any lawful or humane codes of conduct in their totalitarian war against civilization. They are, and have been for a long time, in the business of wood chippers & head chopping. So, the argument that this revelation would cause our enemies to act any differently seems specious at best, in my view.
Comment Posted By Don C. On 17.04.2009 @ 19:28
