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DECLASSIFIED NIE LEAVES UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
There’s an additional Economic factor consider as well!
I once had a wise old Anthropology professor, at the American University of Cairo, ask our class, composed mostly of Egyptian students, how far they thought that Egypt/the Arab/Muslim worlds were “behind†the US?
There was some nervous laughter and glances, and then after some discussion, the Egyptian students agreed that Egypt/the Arab/Muslim worlds were about 150 years “behind†the West/America.The professor then put this up on the board:
Islam: Ramadan: month long fast; loses also at least 5 weeks of economic productivity each year!
Anyone who knows anything about Islam, the custom of the Holy month of Fasting during Ramadan, and who has been to an Islamic country when they are actually in observance of Ramadan, will immediately know what the Professor was talking about!
They go on a 5 week holiday every year, mandated by their religion, and because they have to Fast all day, including liquids, and thus eat & sleep and fornicate at night, only, between sunset and sunrise, they lose 5 weeks per year, of Economic Productivity!
That’s amazing!
If you factor in the fact that since it’s founding, Islam has basically been around for 1400 years; and thus 5 weeks per year, you get a figure of 135 YEARS of lost economic productivity, and even cultural and societal and governmental as well, over the 1400 year course of Islamic History!
Not far off, from those Egyptian’s students “guessâ€, all those years ago!
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 27.09.2006 @ 01:05
Rick: so much to say, so little time; it’s late and I have to go to bed soon, have a day job, but I’ll see what I can bang out real quick!
Leak: Politically motivated? Ah, yes; it’s so patentedly obvious; it’s really not open for discussion. President is not going to change any minds among the Leftists by Declassifying it anyhow, they made up their minds the day he was elected; he declassified it for his supporters; they’re the only ones he can reach anyhow.
PS: it’s appearing on Leftist Blogs now, that this has been Declassed, and it isn’t “bad†enough, that there is “another†NIE out there, being “sat†on by the President, that is solely focused on Iraq, and it’s ALL bad!
I strongly suspect that this is wishful thinking by Leftist Blogs and the Leftist press; my guess is that they’re getting vibes thru their rumormills, about the Classified Intel Report leaked by the WashPost & NYT two weeks ago, about the Al Anbar Province, written by that Marine Corps Intel Colonel (who’s a friend of mine, by the way…). Though it IS possible there is another NIE about Iraq sitting out there, I highly suspect I’m correct. IF there was a totally negative NIE about Iraq out there floating about the Intelligence Community, the anti-Bush/Rumsfield factions in the Pentagon would’ve already leaked it to the MSM, like they’ve done with this NIE, in an attempt to damage the President before the mid-term elections. Anyway, time will tell if I’m correct, or just swinging in the wind!
For the question of whether the Iraq War is causing an increase in Global Jihad, I have a rhetorical question:
a) Were we in Iraq, when 3000 people were killed in PA, VA, and NYC on 9/11?
b) Were we in Iraq, when the USS Cole was bombed, and 16 US Sailors murdered, and we were just lucky that the whole ship didn’t sink, killing hundreds?
c) Were we in Iraq, when the two AmEmbassies in East Africa were bombed, killing hundreds of innocent locals, and some 50 Americans?
d) Were we in Iraq, when the Khobar Towers were bombed in Saudi Arabia, killing scores there?
e) Were we in Iraq, when the attack on the WTC in 93 was initiated, and killed 6 and wounded people? Something that’s mentioned about that attack is that IF it had been successful, and that fact that it wasn’t was just an accident; but Ramzi Yousef’s plan was to topple the one tower, into the other, and bring them both down! IF that attack had been successful, it’s possible as many as 20,000 people would’ve been killed! Think about that! Were we in Iraq then?
f) Were we in Iraq when the same people planned the Bojinak airliner plot over in the Philippines, which if successful, would’ve killed as many as 3000+ people, in 1995?
g) Were we in Iraq, when Al Qaeda planned, and carried off the attack against our Peace Keepers in Somalia in 1993?
h) Please note, American troops, acting as Peace Keepers in Lebanon in 1983 and Somalia in 1993 were attacked and murdered.
i) Please also note, that America, protecting Muslim populations in Bosnia, in 1996 and in Kuwait in 1991, still was not good enough for the Jihadis, and we were still attacked and mudered, shortly after each event; so even protecting Muslims, from themselves, and their enemies, hasn’t been enough, to stop the Jihadis from attacking us and killing us!Anyway Rick, if you can ask all the Leftists who oppose the Iraq War, and spout the meme that the Iraq War has CAUSED Jihadism, if you can ask them those questions, I’d be happy to listen to their answers!
Does a terrorist success breed more jihadists? Such as 9/11, etc.
I don’t know if anyone has ever done any in-depth analysis on this, and if so, it would be hard to quantify/put numbers on it!But, it only makes logical sense, that the answer is Yes! Military recruitment in the US goes up, during/after “successful†Wars, such as the Gulf War, and also when we’re attacked, like 9/11. Those are historical facts; so it only makes sense, that that applies to them. I can’t imagine, under any scenario, which the Inverse is true; that Terrorist “success†causes the number of Jihadis to go down!
Remember, they declared war on us, not vice versa, and they view this as a War that will last decades, if not longer, whereas we are too stupid to realize that yet; so I doubt that any success has a negative impact on their recruiting!
As for this part of the NIE:Four underlying factors are fueling the spread of the jihadist movement:
1. Entrenched grievances, such as corruption, injustice, and fear of Western domination, leading to anger, humiliation, and a sense of powerlessness;
2. Iraq Jihad
3. The slow pace of real and sustained economic, social, political reforms in many Muslim majority nations; and
4. A pervasive Anti-US sentiment among most Muslims all of which jihadists exploit.I would personally, based upon 30+ years experience in the Middle East, and as a Marine Intel Officer and Analyst/Specialist on Islamic Fundamentalism, the correct order of these is:
1. A pervasive Anti-US sentiment among most Muslims all of which jihadists exploit.
2. Entrenched grievances, such as corruption, injustice, and fear of Western domination, leading to anger, humiliation, and a sense of powerlessness;
3. The slow pace of real and sustained economic, social, political reforms in many Muslim majority nations; and
4. Iraq JihadIraq is an excuse, given to them mainly by the Western Leftists, who they view as kindred spirits, and whose talking points they not only study, but use back at us, in propaganda audios/videos from Bin Laden/Zawahiri, and formerly Zarqawi, and now the new mouthpiece, the American Jihadi, Adnan Ghadan
When I first started traveling throughout the Middle East, in the last 1970’s, the Anti-Americanism was already there; the core issue was US support for the State of Israel, which in their view, the ONLY reason it exists, then, and today, is because of US economic and military support, and the support of the US Jewish community; which according to THEM, controls the US Government, the US Media, the US Banking Industry, Hollywood, etc.Let me make this absolutely clear: THEY FIRMLY BELIEVE THIS! This is a firm as “truth†to them, as death and taxes are to us!
Anyway, the anti-Americanism was already there, and every single setback, every single act, every single event, is viewed as being manipulated, or caused to happen, by the US, via it’s Jewish masters! Again, in this respect, they’re a lot like the Looney Left in this country, and Europe, with the anti-Semitism!
Don’t forget, this goes at least back to WWII; the Arabs, specifically countries like Egypt, and people like the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, WHOLEHEARTEDLY thru their lot in with Nazi Germany and the Italian Fascists!The Grand Mufti went to Germany, to help plan the Holocaust, which they now deny, in an irony of all ironies! From Tunisia, to Egypt, to Syria, to Iraq, to Palestine, Nazi Germany was the flavor of the day! The Grand Mufti helped form a Division of Muslim troops in the Balkans, to fight under the Nazi flag!
After WWII, it was short step from supporting Fascism, to alliances with the Soviet Union for Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Algeria, and post-Kaddafi, Libya!
From there, it is a short segue into Point #2; I really, in my entire career in the Middle East, never heard of such a thing as a “moderate†Imam on a Friday morning. Politically Correct Westerners will pooh-pooh this, and Muslims practicing TAQIYYAH will deny it; but for centuries, the pulpits of the Imams have been used to Islamicize, and preach Jihad, to generations of Muslims.
I presciently wrote about this very issue, 16 years ago, attempting to warn the Intel Community about the threat of increasing Jihadism, post the Gulf War.
Imams preach the glory days of Islam, from the pulpit, and a weekly basis on Friday mornings; the Glory that was the worldwide Islamic Caliphate, from the Pyrenees Mountains in Spain, to the sub-tropical jungles of West Africa, to the shores of Zanzibar in East Africa, to the Caucus Mountains in Central Asia, to the archipelago of the Philippine Islands!The bygone Golden Empires of Al Andalus and the Alhambra in Granada, the Ottoman Caliphate, the blue city of Bukhara, the wonders of the Mughal Empire in India, and the Taj Mahal, to the conversion of the Hagia Sophia chuch into a Mosque in Istanbul, are events in Islamic history, that are inculcated into EVERY Muslim child, from the time they can read/write/attend Mosque!
Coupled with the inherent sense of superiority within Islam itself; the one “true†religion; the only true monotheistic religion; the only “revealed†religion; the only religion whose Holy Book has been unaltered, and unadulterated by Man, etc., and you have a “peopleâ€, Muslims, who arrogantly believe that THEY are the chosen ones, their religion proves it, but the past 700 years of History, since the Reconqista in Spain in 1492, has been TOTALLY against them!
They cannot, for the life of them, rationally rectify this painfully obvious dichotomy, and it has psychologically impacted an entire religion of people, and their behavior, for 700 years!
Point #3 is a “strawman†argument, thrown in there to satisfy the “PC†crowd with in the Intelligence Community!
Right thinking Muslims, don’t even believe in Democracy; not like we do in the West, anyhow. Al Qaeda itself makes that clear! Democracy is contrary to the teaching of Islam; the ONLY Democracy you will have, within a Sharia-controlled society, is what Allah gives you! End of story!
And with a Insha’allah (God Wills it), Bokra (Tomorrow), Ma’alesh (Never mind) mindset (IBM it is referred to by Westerners in the “knowâ€); especially among Sunnis, who completely believe in Allah’s Will, and predestination (they passed a law in the Jordanian Parliament a decade ago, outlawing spare tires in Automobiles, because to carry one, was thwarting the will of Allah!!), and you can see, that social, economic, and political reform is a chimera for Muslims; if Allah wanted them to have it, they would have it!
That’s how the Jihadis are callously and capriciously able to exploit scores of homicide bombers (Shaheed, i.e. “martysâ€); they don’t tell them, if you kill Americans/Apostates, we’ll pay you $10,000; they tell them your life is shit on this earth, and the ONLY chance you have for a better one, is kill yourself in the service of Jihad, and go to heaven, and have all the Houris (virgins) and Ghalims (prebubescent boys) and water and alcohol you can handle!
Here’s a prime example to use, when Leftist start the meme, like point #3 alludes too, that “poverty†causes “terrorismâ€, and the Muslims outrage against the US, and inspired the 9/11 plotters (despite the fact, that people like Muhammed Atta, and most of his fellow plotters, and most of the Jihadi middlemen, as well as leaders, are in fact, firmly entrenched in the Middle Eastern MIDDLE CLASS; university educated, middle class families and reputations, and homes, etc.
Anyway, here’s a piece of analysis, you’ll see now where else; name the Top 20 POOREST counties in the World:
1 East Timor $ 500
2 Somalia $ 500
3 Sierra Leone $ 500
4 Malawi $ 600
5 Tanzania $ 600
6 Burundi $ 600
7 Congo, Republic of the $ 700
8 Congo, Democratic Republic of the $ 700
9 Comoros $ 700
10 Eritrea $ 700
11 Ethiopia $ 700
12 Afghanistan $ 700
13 Niger $ 800
14 Yemen $ 800
15 Madagascar $ 800
16 Guinea-Bissau $ 800
17 Zambia $ 800
18 Kiribati $ 800
19 Nigeria $ 900
20 Mali $ 900Now, go back, and tell me, which ones have produced Jihadis, and Homicide Bombers, and which one has citizens, that have attacked the US, and Western Europe, et. al??
I’ve pulled them out for you:
2 Somalia $ 500
5 Tanzania $ 600
12 Afghanistan $ 700
14 Yemen $ 800What do those Four have in common, I wonder? Only one that I can think of……wait for it……ISLAM! Isn’t that interesting? How uncomfortable do you think that makes the Leftists feel???
Where are the homicide bombers from East Timor?? How about Sierra Leone? Were any of the 9/11 murderers from Madagascar? I’m sure there are people in Eritrea, who have grievances against the United States; how come they’re not blowing us up? What about Haiti, in our own backyard, the Caribbean? It’s not on this list, but we all know it’s an economic basket case? Where are the Haitian homicide bombers and plotters?
In fact, the ONLY Jihadis, to come out of our hemisphere, except for the “homegrowns†in Canada, and Johnny Taliban here, and the Malvo sniper guy, Padilla etc., have come from the two countries that have a Muslim minority community: Jamaica and Trinidad & Tabago!
So the Lefitst meme, that “poverty†(usually implied as being caused by the United States and Oil Companies) causes the Jihadies to hate and attack us, has just been totally deconstructed here!
If you know your history, and demographics, you’ll notice on that list, there are ARE some countries there, such as the Comoros, Malawi, Nigeria, etc., that DO have Muslim minority populations, or in the case of the Comoros, Muslim Majority populations!
That’s Correct! I NEVER said ALL Muslims, worldwide, in ALL countries, were Jihadis or “terroristsâ€! However, I will say, that EVERY “terrorist†attack, against us, since the Gulf War, EXCEPT for the Oklahoma City bombing done in 1995, WAS done by Jihadis/Muslims.
Does that make ALL Muslims “terrorist� Again, NO! But it makes the likelihood, that the next time there is a “terrorist†attack against American/Americans somewhere, that it is/are Jihadis/Muslims who carried it out!
Again Point #4 is one that we want them to have; if it wasn’t Iraq, it would be American support for Israel; which by the way, since we WEREN’T IN IRAQ, during Somalia, WTC ’93, Bojinka Plot, Khobar, etc., are the EXACT excuses that Ramzi Yousef and his uncle, Khaled Sheikh Muhammed used! Go research their testimony, over at the “Wikiâ€, and you’ll see!And, if it wasn’t US support for Israel, it would be something else. Syed Qutb, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, visited the US BEFORE Israel was founded, and decided he HATED the US, and Westerners, because we too crude, no class, to rough, too loud, too sexual, too new, to uncivilized!
They’d find any excuse, and seize it; which is something you cannot convince the apologetic Leftists, in this country, or Europe, to realize!
Finally, someone needs to explain to Americans, and the World, WHY Islam in general is the way it is, and why it is susceptible to the Jihadi mindset, and why it susceptible to Anti-Americanism/Anti-Western feelings and propaganda!
The short answer is again a Leftist meme, started decades ago by sympathetic, Leftist Historians in American & European Academia: THE CRUSADES!
That inaccurate meme has been so thoroughly deconstructed; it’s not even worth debating anymore!If you want to see them deconstructed by a professional, here is a good place to start:
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0506/articles/madden.htmlAs for me, based upon my own personal observations and experiences, these are the underlying factors; we have to take into account, which you’ll probably see nowhere else.
IF you go back, and look at the crucial time period, the Reconquista in Spain, and the crucial date of 1492 when the Christian and Muslim worldwide societies really began to diverge after Christian Spain finally defeated the last Muslim Emirate in Granada, and expelled all Muslims & Jews from Spain, there are several crucial things that differentiate the two competing Religious Societies:
Western Christian Societies underwent Two Major Transformative Events: Religious Reformation and Industrial Revolutions!The times/dates were different for every major country, but in general, those two events took place in almost every major Christian power.
For Muslim Societies, the Reconquista in 1492 was the END of their golden ages; yes, there were brief flourishes in the Mughal Empire in India, and the Ottoman Empire, as well as some Central Asian flourishes; but in general, the Muslims societies, especially those most in constant contact with the west, and in closest geographical proximity, took the Reconquista, psychologically, very hard, and began Centuries of retrenchment, regression, suppression, and Devolution!
Religiously, the Council of Nicea in the 4th century, basically "unified" Christianity for hundreds of years until Henry VIII & Reformation etc. Granted, there were “exceptionsâ€, such as the Cathars/Albigensians, the whole Gnostic movement and the Dualists, such as the Bogomils, Manicheans, etc. But basically, the Catholic Church was pretty aggressive in stamping out dissent, and “heresiesâ€, and until Henry VIII and Martin Luther; it was pretty mono-theocratic!
Islam, if you now anything about the history of it at all, was the exact opposite! From the day that Muhammed died, Islam was a fractured religion! With no clear successor, the first schism appeared with the Shi’ites, and the Khajirits; two groups who did not want to follow Abu Bakr, Muhammed’s uncle and elected successor!
It went downhill from there, with literally hundreds of Sunni, Sufi, and Shi’ite sects, canonical schoos, etc., vying for control of Islam, and control of the message!
In other words, Christianity was unified for centuries, Islam was not, and has not, and never will be!
Additionally, another unifying factor for Christianity was that at it’s founding, Christianity was an oppressed religion! It was the new kid on the block; competing against its Jewish progenitors, and the big guys: Egyptian Pharaonic Religion; the Greek & Roman pagan religions, Mithraism, Zoroastrianism, Gnosticism, and even splits in its own ranks (prior to Nicea). Christian converts in Roman, use to have battles in the streets with followers of Mithraism, over meeting places and followers! Historically, Christianity was actually a dicey proposition for several centuries, and struggled to just survive, let alone spread. This “toughnessâ€, and ruthlessness, that helped it survive and grow, served it well, in its later struggles with Islam!
Islam on the other hand, came to being, really, at a time where there was a major Political and Military “vacuum†in the Middle East. The old Roman Empire had collapsed, the Byzantine Empire was weak; the Zoroastrian Empire was collapsing in Persia; Egypt was Christian, but a shadow of its former self, and most of the Middle East was devolving into city-state status!Most people don’t realize, but in less than a hundred years from it’s founding by Muhammed in Mecca, Muslim armies had spread across the Middle East, North Africa, and out into Central Asia, Persia, India, and into Indonesia, and as far as the Philippines and East Africa!
Muslim armies crossed from Morocco, into Spain, and were at the Pyrenees, by 732AD! The growth rate was phenomenal, and too fast!
When things were going good for them, and they were expanding, or in a form of stasis, things were fine! When Muslim armies started to suffer their first defeats, and setbacks, in the 11th century, at the hands of the Mongols, THAT is what spawned the Salafiyyah movement, under Ibn Tamiyyah, that exists up until today, under Bin Laden and Al Qaeda!!!
After the Reconquista, Christian societies came out of the so-called "dark ages", and began a remarkable ascent, politically, religiously, economically, colonially; all of these evolving factors naturally caused the actual hold of the religion itself on society, to evolve, and weaken.
Obviously, this very weakening, those two Transformative events, Religious Reformation and Industrial Revolution, DID NOT occur at all, or only on a very limited scale/location (possibly Ataturk’s Turkey!), in Muslim Societies worldwide!
Without those two major societal transformative events, that is how today, you have a 1000+ year old Theological philosophy, Salafiyism, that believes it's okay to cut people's heads off, that still hold's sway over a healthy minority of worldwide Muslim societies, and more disturbingly, a larger percentage of supporters and sympathizers worldwide!
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 27.09.2006 @ 00:42
APPALLING DISHONESTY FROM OLBERMAN
Rick: Hi, have you seen this? Good stuff; you should blog it:
have you seen this? This would be a great subject to blog:
http://www.centcom.mil/sites/uscentcom1/What%20Extremists%20Say/Letter%20Exposes%20New%20Leader%20in%20Al-Qa`ida%20High%20Command.aspx?PageView=Shared
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 26.09.2006 @ 13:32
Rick: normally, I'd say good post, and great writing, etc.
But Olbermann, is sooooooo representative of the mainstream Leftist/Liberals/Democrats/Nutbags/Richard Bottoms of the world, that actually, it was a waste of time!
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 26.09.2006 @ 12:18
Richard Bottoms:
DUDE, IT WAS SO YOU COULD SEE MY ANSWERS, VERSUS YOUR RAMBLINGS, DUDE!
SOME PEOPLE THINK CALLING OTHER PEOPLE "DERANGED", IS THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!
DUDE, SOME PEOPLE THINK CALLING OTHER PEOPLE "DUDE", IS RUDE!
DUDE, I HAVE TO LECTURE MY 8 YEAR OLD ON THAT, DUDE!
DUDE; SO YOU TRIED TO RE-ENLIST TWO YEARS AGO? SO WHAT, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO IMPLIED THAT "REPUBLICANS" WOULDN'T GO TO IRAQ, AND ONLY TALKED, AND I PROVED YOU WRONG, "SNAP", DUDE!
DUDE, I'VE MADE MORE IN THE PAST YEAR, THAN YOU'VE MADE IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS; BUT I WASN'T THE ONE WHO ATTACKED "REPUBLICANS" ABOUT "BIG BUSINESS" AND THE "LITTLE PEOPLE", "SNAP", DUDE!
OBVIOUSLY, YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF ONE OF THE "LITTLE PEOPLE", WHICH IS INTERESTING IF YOU ACTUALLY DO LIVE IN A $50OK CONDO NEAR THE YATCH CLUB! BUT THEN AGAIN, THAT'S TYPICAL HYPOCRASY FROM THE LIMOSINE AND PRIVATE JET LEFTIST LIBERALS, DUDE "SNAP" DUDE!
I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE SENATOR "KKK" BYRD, SENATOR NANCY "CHE" PELOSI; SENATOR "FAKE WAR MEDALS" KERRY; SENATOR "BORN WITH A SILVER SPOON IN HER MOUTH" BOXER; CONGRESSMAN CHARLIE "I'LL SURRENDER TO EVERY ISLAMIST I CAN FIND" RANGLE; SENATOR TED "I'VE NEVER MET A BOTTLE I DIDN'T LIKE" KENNEDY; SENATOR HARRY "I NEVER MET AN INDIAN RESERVATION I COULDN'T CON OUTTA MONEY" REID; SENATOR HILLARY "I NEVER MET AN AMERICAN VOTER I COULDN'T LIE TO OR INTIMIDATE" CLINTON; FORMER PRESIDENT BILL "I'VE NEVER MET A WOMAN I COULDN'T SEDUCE OR RAPE" CLINTON; CONGRESSMAN BARNEY "ILL RUN A GAY ESCORT SERVICE OUTTA THE US CONGRESS" FRANK; CONGRESSMAN ALCEE "I'M A FEDERALLY CONVICTED FELON AND IMPEACHED JUDGE" HASTINGS; SUPREME COURT JUSTICE RUTH "I ADVOCATE CONSENUAL SEX FOR TWELVE YEAR OLDS" GINSBERG; MICHAEL "I HATE AMERICA" MOORE; GEORGE "I HATE AMERICA EVEN MORE" CLOONEY"; JANE "NO, I HATE AMERICA THE MOST" FONDA; FORMER PRESIDENT "I'LL PROSTITUTE MYSELF ALL OVER THE WORLD ATTACKING MY OWN COUNTRY SO I CAN WIN A NOBEL PEACE PRICE" CARTER; FORMER VICE PRESIDENT AL "I'VE COMPLETELY LOST MY MARBLES" GORE; SUSAN "NO, IT'S ME WHO HATES AMERICA THE MOST" SARANDON; TIM "NO, I'LL PROVE IT'S ME WHO HATES AMERICA THE MOST, I'LL SAY SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY STUPID" ROBBINS; SEAN "I'M STILL PISSED OFF MY DAD WAS A COMMUNIST SYMPATHIZER DURING THE 50'S SO I'M GONNA BET BACK AT BUSH" PENN; AL "I'VE NEVER BEEN FUNNY IN MY WHOLE LIFE SO I'LL PRETEND I'M A SATYRIST (PUN INTENDED) THAT WAY NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW I WASN'T FUNNY AND THEY'LL MISTAKE ME FOR A FUNNY LEFTIST" FRANKEN; MEL "I'M A RADICAL CATHOLIC WHO HATES JEWS SO I'M THE PERFECT LEFTIST EVEN THOUGH EVERYBODY THINKS I'M RIGHTWING BECAUSE I'M CATHOLIC SO I'LL COME OUT AND SAY STUPID STUFF ABOUT BUSH TO PROVE MY LEFTY CREDENTIALS AND ALSO SELL MY NEW MOVIE THAT'S GOT NIFTY MULTICULTURAL MAYAN DIALOGE THAT NO ONE IN A THOUSAND YEARS HAS ACTUALLY SPOKEN" GIBSON; AND you (SMALL LETTERS ON PURPOSE); DUDE, "SNAP"!
I COULD'VE ADDED A COUPLE THOUSAND MORE, BUT GOTTA GO OUT AND EARN ANOTHER $1OK TODAY!
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 26.09.2006 @ 12:05
Richard Bottoms: I can't go on a "I'm a Republican" rant, because I consider myself an Independent, and am registered as one; I've never voted "party line", and never will; anyone who puts themselves thru the mental gymnastics, to agree with the hypocritical "party planks", of EITHER party, is not right in the head to begin with! That said, read 'er and weep...
I am tired of a Democrat standing up for himself being characterized as a meltdown/becoming unhinged/psychotic. Meanwhile Ann Coulter talks about poisoning a Justice of the Supreme Court and that’s that a little hyperbole for the masses.
BILL CLINTON IS UNHINGED, AND A DEMONSTRABLE LIAR! AND I VOTED FOR HIM BY THE WAY! GET OFF THE BANDWAGON, THAT TRAIN LEFT THE STATION FIVE YEARS AGO, FORTUNATELY! ANN COULTER'S NONSENSE IS EXACTLY THAT, NONSENSE, AND YOU SHOULD PAY AS MUCH ATTENTION TO HER, FOR HER STUPIDITY, AS YOU DO TO CLINTON'S!So Clinton got mad. Good for him, I’d like to see more Democrats tell folks on Fox to stick it where the sun don’t shine. This idea that we’ll turn off the moderates and maybe keep some Republicans for supporting is a a load of BS.
I WATCH FOX NEWS, ABOUT AS MUCH AS WATCH CNN, OR ABC, OR NBC, OR CBS; WHICH IS, OH....NEVER! BUT I DO LOVE THE LEFTY OBSESSION WITH FNC; FOR 40 YEARS, THE LEFT HAS HAD NBC/CBS/ABC/WASPO/NYT/LATIMES, AND THEN LATER CNN/MSNBC/CNBC/PBS/TIME/NEWSWEEK, ETC.THE "RIGHT" HAD TO "INVENT" TALK RADIO, BECAUSE THEY HAD NO WHERE ELSE TO GO; AND FINALLY, THEY GET THEIR OWN TV STATION, AND THE LEFT GOES NUTS! IT'S INCREDIBLE....
If you aren’t done with the Republicans by now, nothing is going to change your mind.
IF YOU AREN'T DONE WITH DEMOCRATS BY NOW, AS YOU SHOULD BE, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE YOUR MIND!Not an Army that is being ground into disrepair and unreadiness, not the teetering loss of Iraq, and not the fact that Afghanistan is in serious trouble all due to boy wonder’s failed leadership.
AH, FALLACY #1, AH FALLACY #2, AND AH...FALLACY #3, BUT THEN AGAIN, LUNAR CHIROPTERA LIVE IN A SPECIAL FANTASY WORLD ALL THEIR OWN...LEFTIES ON THE "SHIP OF FOOLS" SAILING FOR NARRAGONIA....I am a Democrat becasue my party doesn’t stand for tortue and theirs does.
I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT (NOT A REPLUBLICAN EITHER, BUT JUST TO KEEP IT SIMPLE); I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT, BECAUSE DEMOCRATS THINK THAT JIHADIES WHO BEHEAD PEOPLE, AND WHO REFUSE TO WEAR UNIFORMS, ARE ENTITLED TO MORE RIGHTS THAN AMERICAN CITIZENS, OUR MILITARY MEMBERS AND MILITARY PERSONNEL WHO UNDERGO SERE TRAINING, AND EVEN COLLEGE FRESHMEN WHO UNDERGO FRATERNITY HAZING!I am a Democrat because I believe the world is older than 10,000 years and that teaching otherwise belongs in church, not in school.
I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT, BECAUSE DESPITE THE FACT I'M NOT A RELIGIOUS PERSON AT ALL, AND BELIEVE FIRMLY IN EVOLUTION; I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT CHRISTIANS ARE "EVIL", AND WORSE THAN THE JIHADIS WHO BEHEAD PEOPLE, MUTILATE THEIR BODIES, AND DRIVE AIRPLANES INTO SKYCRAPPERS AND MURDER 3000 INNOCENT PEOPLE! DEMOCRATS DO, BY THE WAY!I am a Democrat because what is good for big business is not automatically good for the little people.
I'M NOT A DEMOCRATE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT CAPITALISM, HAS DONE MORE GOOD FOR THE WORLD, THAN ANY OTHER SYSTEM OF ECONOMICS, AND THAT IS DEMONSTRABLE, HISTORICALLY; I ALSO BELIEVE THAT NO ONE, IS "OWED" ANYTHING, BY ANYONE, INCLUDING OUR GOVERNMENT, THAT IT IS NOT A SIN TO WORK HARD, AND GO OUT AND TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY, INSTEAD OF SITTING AT HOME ON YOUR FAT ASS, DRINKING YOUR BEER YOU BOUGHT WITH FOODSTAMPS, SMOKING YOUR CIGARETTES YOU BOUGHT WITH YOUR WELFARE CHECK, AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THE RECEPTION YOU'RE GETTING ON YOUR 60IN BIGSCREEN TV THAT YOU YOU PAID FOR BY SCAMMING YOUR MEDICARE!I am a Demcorat because letting the FDA hold up contraceptives over religion is stupid.
I'M NOT A DEMOCRACT, BECAUSE DESPITE THE FACT I ACTUALLY LIKE SEX; I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO STICK IT INTO ANYONE/ANYWHERE/ANYTIME, JUST BECAUSE IT "FEELS GOOD", AND THEN, USE ABORTION AS A MEANS OF BIRTH CONTROL, BECAUSE WE'RE TOO LAZY, INDOLENT, ARROGANT, AND IMMATURE, TO SHOW A LITTLE DISCIPLINE AND RESTRAINT!I am a Democrat because Teri Schiavo was brain dead and the yahoos in the other party diagnosed from the Senate floor.
I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT, BECAUSE WHETHER SHE WAS BRAIN DEAD OR NOT, HER PARENTS SHOULD'VE BEEN ALLOWED TO DECIDE IF THEY WANTED TO CARE FOR HER, AND NOT SOME DICKHEAD EX-HUSBAND, WHO WAS TRYING TO KILL HER OFF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, SO HE COULD MARRY HIS GIRLFRIEND!I am a Democrat because I was a soldier and I see the so-called freedom loving Republicans sending troops on 4 & 5 rotations into battle while not bothering to find the nearest recruiting station and lending a hand.
I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT, BECAUSE I WAS IN THE MARINE CORPS FOR 12 YEARS, SERVED IN IRAQ THE FIRST TIME AROUND, TRIED TO REJOIN THE SECOND TIME AROUND AND THEY WOULDN'T TAKE ME BECAUSE I'M TOO FREAKING OLD, AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE DRAFT RE-INSTITUTED FOR LEFTISTS, ONLY!In short I am a Democrat just like the Big Dog and I sincerley enjoy him talking a rhetorical bat to the other side.
IN SHORT, I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT, AND I ENJOY SEEING THE BIG WHORE (DID I MENTION I VOTED FOR HIM....??) TAKING A RHETORICAL BAT TO HIS OWN BACKSIDE; THE MORE HE TALKS, THE MORE HE REMINDS "NORMAL" AMERICANS, WHAT A TRULY LYING SACK OF SHIT HE WAS THE FIRST TIME AROUND, AND WHY WE CAN NEVER AGAIN TRUST A CLINTON, OR MORE IMPORTANT, THE DEMOCRATS, TO HAVE THE REINS OF POWER AGAIN!ed: with all due respect, you're more reasoned than your ideological roomate Richard Bottoms, but just as sadly wrong:
"With all due respect however, terrorism is a VERY criminal matter. Like the Mafia, they are most effectively dealt with by tracing the flow of money (yes, I favor wiretaps, following private computer messaging, etc.) and intercepting the plans for terrorist acts and stopping them before they happen. The military is designed to fight other countries’ army’s, not a scattered bunch of nuts. The results of our military actions against terror speak for themselves. A country out of control (Iraq) and the emergent return of the Taliban in Afganistan. We did not get the Mafia under control by shootouts and we will not get the terrorists under control with military action."
This is the complete and utter fallacy the Clinton Administration adopted, from WTC '93, thru the Khobar Towers thru the East African AmEmb Bombings thru the USS Cole, and the only "sympathy" it engendered from the terrorists, was 9/11 and 3000 dead innocents, as they were getting ready for work.
Our mistake, and the Bush Administration's as well, is we keep referring to them as "terrorists", and thus completely missing the POINT: they are Religious fanatics, Islamists, Jihadis, Salafiyyah; with a 1000 year old+ Religious theology, backed up by reams of religious declarations, and precedent, and institutional authority and Islamist theocratic scholars!
Therefore, despite all the "PC" misquided nonsense, coming not only out of the Left, but this Administration trying to play it politically correct; this IS a RELIGIOUS War, declared by THEM, on "us"; and the sooner we realized it, quit trying to hide it and "finesse" it, and get down to the serious business of wiping them out, the better off we will all be!
This didn't start with Clinton, or Bush, or Bush Sr., or Regean, or Carter, or the formation of the State of Israel, or when Napolean invaded Egypt, and all the people on the Left and Right, try to shift/assess blame, without looking at the REAL problem!
This started with a man named Ibn Tamiyyah, in the 11th Century, when he decided the Mongols, who had invaded and captured Muslim lands, were heathens, and that Islam was under attack, and retreat, because it wasn't PURE Enough!
That's when this started, and it hasn't, fankly, ended since then!
The Crusades were not "our" fault, we have NOT radicalized Islam; they radicalized themselves, almost 1000 years ago.
Go to the Wiki, EDUCATE YOURSELF with the following:
Salafiyyah
Qutbiyyah
Hassan al Banna
Islambouli Family
Jamal al Din al Afghani
Taqiyyah
Bin Ladin
Zawahiri
Ibn Tamiyyah
Syed Qutb
DeobandiTHEN, when you've done that, you'll be in the top 1/10th of 1% of people in this country with knowledge about this issue, and you'll sadly realize, how not only how much danger we really face, but about how wrong BOTH sides are; and the fact that we have to take it SERIOUS, and WIPE THEM OUT NOW, is the only solution!
But treating it as a "criminal" matter, is dangerous, stupid, naive, and a recipe for Societal Suicide!
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 26.09.2006 @ 09:54
Turnabout: I'm sorry, I'm so fed up with Conspiracy Theories, and the Leftists that promote them, I just can't take it anymore!
I spent the first 43 of my 48 years on this earth, completely APOLITICAL! When I DID vote, I thought it was encumbent up on me, as a Citizen, not to vote by Party Line, but to vote for the BEST POSSIBLE PERSON!
I know, a quaint ideal, outmoded in this current political environment.
As such, I voted Republican, I voted Democrat, I voted for Bill Clinton, I voted for no one in 2000, I voted for Bush in 2004.
Regardless, I cannot abide, at all, by the Conspiracy Nutbags, mainly Leftists, who absolutely put an evil Republican conspiracy theory "spin" on everything!
The "Republicans" didn't do anything to Clinton; I voted for him, and he did it to himself!
End.....of......story!
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 25.09.2006 @ 16:20
Turnabout:
One Leftist conspiracy Nut (You); using another Conspracy Nut (Brock); to prove a "conspiracy", isn't exactly making your case on a rocksolid foundation, to prove a negative "..when our own intel reveals that it is the conservatives own policies that are making us less safe by the day." of incorrectly Leftist spun selectively leaked "Intel" that is bous!
NICE!
Do more, I Like it when the Lunar Chiroptera come out during the daylight....
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 25.09.2006 @ 13:22
ELITES PREPARING US EXIT FROM IRAQ?
Rick: actually, if you want to know the truth about CSIS, you should contact Christopher Hitchens, he has done research on this group, and it is FAR from what it appears.
They are a few token Republicans scattered about, but this is a very leftwing, anti-Bush, anti-Iraq War cabal.
Hitchens describes them as the "pseudo" scholars!
One of their leading ME "experts" is Anthony Cordesman, a VEHEMENT anti-Bush freak, who comes out literally, with daily Anti-Bush, Anti-Iraq War Analysis!
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 18.09.2006 @ 08:11
CIA VS. THE WHITE HOUSE: THE CHICKENS COME HOME TO ROOST
Andy: I'll PROVE to you how smart I am! I read BOTH your posts; I thought they were different!
Comment Posted By Dale in Atlanta On 25.08.2006 @ 07:50
